Beliefs in God

[winkle]

this from you're post.......... ..........22 “Jehovah himself produced me as the beginning of his way, the earliest of his achievements of long ago...................are you saying that christ was produced................as i said before, the book of proverbs explains the value of wisdom and that man should seek it....... wisdom or igerance..... witch do i choose........
wisdom of God or igerance of man

[racer270]

:).............Well Jesus is the only begotten Son of God.............begotten does mean created............

:)and wisdom is only a facet of the teachings in "provervs"..........

[racer270]

I am sorry Winkle,

my wife got a hold of the computer,........
i was logged on and had to leeve breefly, ....
she can be kind of over zelos at times, she has onlee been studying the bible for a little over a year now with the Jehovah Witnesses.................

and she can seem to be a little now it all at times.......gordy

[winkle]

in proverbs there is no God so loved enything....this is what proverbs is about............Lu:11:36: If thy whole body therefore be full of light, having no part dark, the whole shall be full of light, as when the bright shining of a candle doth give thee light.
..........Eph:5:14: Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light

[AgingYoung]

Racer,

I've been reading over the thread and noticed you thought I said:

Thus, I do not sit around waiting for the end to come like a lot of fundamentalists do.

I didn't say that; I was quoting Ken.

Gene

[racer270]

oops,.....gene by bad.... ^:)........gordy

[ovyyus]

Well, it obviously doesn't really matter what anyone says any more because, apparently, a person can claim that their words were simply not taken in the exact shade of gray that they had intended - brilliant!

[winkle]

:).............Well Jesus is the only begotten Son of God.............begotten does mean created............

:)and wisdom is only a facet of the teachings in "provervs"..........

....................Proverb:1:1 The proverbs of Solomon the son of David, king of Israel;
Proverb:1:2: To know wisdom and instruction; to perceive the words of understanding;
Proverb:1:3: To receive the instruction of wisdom, justice, and judgment, and equity;
Proverb:1:4: To give subtilty to the simple, to the young man knowledge and discretion.

[Jonathan]

It may be open to interpretation is Christ is the wisdom with God way back then. Whoever it is, is the personification of wisodm, and I don't see why that's couldn't be Jesus. But the important verse is Pro 8:22, and the word in question is "קנה", which can be "possessed" or "created".
http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/ ... 2-386.html
So my only choice here is to dismiss that verse as inconclusive, as it could be used to support either view.

>Here is some more evidence of Jesus' prehuman existance..........<
I don't think anyone's arguing that He didn't.

>And he was a god, but still was the son of Almighty God........the point i am trying to make is that they are tow distinctly different beings.<
You are advocating a form of ditheism!

[winkle]

Jonathan......it is thoughtful of you to decide for me what i belive...unfortunately you have picked dead wrong.....(ditheism).........witch brings us back to what proverbs is all about.....wisdom and understanding......scripture speaks of Christ the wisdom of God.....never the wisdom of Christ.......Joh:14:31: But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence........M't:12:50: For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.........Christ was obedient to God as were the early christians even to death..... Ph'p:2:8: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.........not any of them desired death but were obedient to God......that includes Christ as seen here.......Lu:22:42: Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.........yes they aer diffrent God instructs Christ obeys.........i use scripture not oppion or interpretation
to know how thing really are.........2Pe:1:20: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation........if you search enough there is no need for interpretation.......do you understand this verse.......Proverb:6:6: Go to the ant, thou sluggard; consider her ways, and be wise:

[Jonathan]

Winkle, I quoted Gordon, and said that he was advocating ditheism.

[winkle]

pardon me

[racer270]

belief in two equal gods, especially one good and one evil. ditheist, n. ditheistic(al), a.


Jonathan.....puhlease.............I keep Jesus' ransom sacrifice, for my sins being the only way to salvation...................You pray to God, do you not .

in Jesus' name.............correct.

Jesus said "worship only one God".so I do.
there is one Almighty God............his name is Jehovah.

there is one Mighty god..................he is coming back as king of kings and lord of lords.

when his father sends him, ................he sits at the right hand of God but doesn't know the appointed time................

with discernment.....a hierarchy within their relationship is not hard to see!!!!

and there is a little booger running around that is the god of the earth his name is Satan, or Gog of Magog............etc, etc

gordy

[ken_behrendt]

Jesus existed prior to his birth? I don't believe it. I think that he might have been suggesting this because, at the time (1st century AD), some Jews (but not all) believed in reincarnation.

Here's a question I've posed in the past that usually draws blank stares from the fundamentalists who've tried to convert me to their brand of Christianity over the years:

If God the Father is supposed to be a spirit being of some sort, then where did the extra 23 chromosomes come from so that they could be added to the 23 provided by Mary's ovum to make the complete set of 46 that each cell in Jesus' human body would have had to have had? I would not expect some nebulous spirit entity to have chromosomes, but I would expect a humanoid creature to. Maybe those beings that visited Mary one night weren't that spiritual after all!


ken

[racer270]

quote:

prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation........if you search enough there is no need for interpretation.......do you understand this verse.......Proverb:6:6: Go to the ant, thou sluggard; consider her ways, and be wise:

i do:.......,} proverbs; 6 ;6- to 11... it means ; go look at a ant, there not "lazy"........( thy store up food every day...! { learn from them} take in knolage every day, if you don't.....you will be robed, ( into spiritual poverty) ....

**** question*****...... did adam have a " belley-button "....?