The application of Bessler’s Physics to Bessler’s problem!

[Ed]

No, Bill, you are stealing my argument. I don't! I only care about a force and whether I can harness it. Period. Clearly it can be harnessed to move a spaceship and the job it did was... "not having to use as much fuel"!

Tinker, you are clear for takeoff! :-)

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Hi all,

if the ship is on its straight line course and catches a sun at the correct angle it will get a sling shot to its new straight line course, only now it is going faster, so its motive force is increase and the suns mass is unchanged, gravity has done work at no cost!

Edit, if gravity then slows the ship down, Gravity has to do work twice!

Regards Trevor

[ovyyus]

Yes Ed, not having to use as much fuel because you ripped off some poor unsuspecting flower of some of its nectar while pretending to just sniff it's aroma! Why I'm gonna... :D

[rlortie]

Tinker, you are clear for takeoff! :-)

Thank you!

My conservative wheel is sitting in the saddle and one plinth is bolted down. She sits in the saddle like a good woman, not bowlegged but rather "pleasure bent".

Time to kick off the boots defying gravity and have some pizza.

Its been fun, but tomorrow I make up for all the lost time this thread has cost me.

Gravity; be damn! full speed ahead!

Ralph

[Grimer]

We harness Newtonian Gravity energy when we harness tidal energy. Angular momentum is conserved between the fluid earth and the solid earth.

What the tides do on a large scale we should be able to do on a small scale. Indeed, Bessler has already done it.

[Ed]

The new cliche is frozen band aids for cold cuts while on the trip to see the hole in the ice. Concentrated water, just add water and stir.

Ralph, you made me think of Steven Wright with this!

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Steven_Wright

In fact, after seeing that link and looking him up, I immediately bought his second album. I haven't listened to this guy since 1985 and his first album. Good stuff.

I need to take time out to mow my lawn, my lawn tractor has headlights. Should I mow after dark or in the daylight?

Here's one for Bill. "If you were mowing your lawn at the speed of light and you turned your headlights on, would they do anything?" :-)

[ovyyus]

What brand are the lights?

[rlortie]

Hard to say Bill, I purchased it with a Craftsman label from Sears & Roebuck, but that went to just "Sears"

Fortunately I still like an occasional smoke and carry a lighter, I can always use it to see if the lights are on or not.

I don't think they make anything, they simply put their label over the manufactures and charge more for replacement parts. Good chance my mower is actually a "Husqvarna" or some similar brand. Public is expected to be to dumb to know that the same parts can be purchased through any hardware store.

Sears is competitive with their prices, but if it breaks down and you go there for parts, hang on to your hat!

I have two Sears Craftsman air compressors, one two-stage stationary the other portable, Peel back the label and both are Devilbiss stamped on a metal plate.

My lawn tractor lights do not have high-low beam, I dare not let the grass get to tall! I will probably let things in the shop rest, and mow tomorrow.

Ralph

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Hi all,

If I have got this straight and its back up by Daxwc, and Ovyyus posted links, the Moons Orbit has got bigger so the moon is know traveling faster over a greater distance as it is not lagging behind the Earths Orbit, so the Earth spins motive force is the only energy source to provide for the increase in energy to fuel the acceleration and greater distance travelled, because gravity is a conservative force.

So why has the Earths flywheel effect not run down by now?

Let me show you the load at a rough estimate, 3.5 terawatts of energy lost to friction heat,+ billions and billions of tones of fluid raised 1 meter and pulled back down again = billions of watts in kinetic energy, that acts like a damper brake, this is per day, so x 365 days x 4 billion years = to much energy output to be sustained, then there is the moons increased velocity and distance to take away energy as well so even a fly wheel the size of the planet should have wound down long ago!

So where is the energy short fall coming from?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tide
Edit, + link.
Regards Trevor

[ovyyus]

Trevor, what is the potential energy (expressed in watts) stored in earth/moon momentum?

billions of watts in kinetic energy, that acts like a damper brake, this is per day

1 watt = 1 joule per second.

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Hi Bill,

That's where you come in? but it seems to me a lot less than 4 billion year of stolen kinetic Energy!

You can help me find the proof here either way, someone some were must have the volumes that are in play, so do you know of any links?

You always tell me to prove it wrong, I keep telling you to prove it write, so maybe it is in our own interests to look for proof and stop this argument once and for all, and post our findings where it can be easily sourced. Every time that this argument come up just drop in the link!

It has got to be more productive than chasing tails, I for one am fed up wasting my time arguing, and getting no where!

With respect, Trevor

[eccentrically1]

http://www.universetoday.com/47217/earths-mass/

http://www.universetoday.com/94252/char ... f-the-sun/

http://www.universetoday.com/19728/mass-of-the-moon/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean#Physical_properties

[ovyyus]

You always tell me to prove it wrong, I keep telling you to prove it write, so maybe it is in our own interests to look for proof and stop this argument once and for all

Trevor, you don't need to look too far. But then you need to know what you're looking at in order to either accept it or not, which might require an understanding of watts, joules, work, force, momentum, energy, etc, etc. You're not just going to blindly believe the numbers are you? That might be a problem.

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Hi Eccentrically1

Thank you kindly,

Because the Earth and the Moon are both Orbiting the Sun a lot of the motive force are common to both, only the Moon travels a greater distance Due to its Orbital path and thus faster, so what I am trying to do here is look at the local energies, volumes, forces, and losses! Between the Earth and Moon, but still keep in sight the Suns effects when relevant, And try to find out exactly what is happening and where. It will take me time but this is going to be my only thread until it is finished!

I would like very much if you could chip in and correct me if I start to make mistakes as you seem to know what you are talking about, and I like your style, do not waste your time on Idiots!

I apologize for my flippant comment on your earlier post as my Theory's are still not proven!

With thanks, Trevor

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Hi Ovyyus,

I have that information already, and Know how to work it all out, but it is no good without volumes, speeds, and distances and all the rest of it!

With thanks Trevor