Basic Pm Idea

[oldNick]

Hi Dwylbtzle

I think you will find :- everything has to be reset every half revolution while the wheel is still powered.

ol' nicky:
even better :)
twice as good
thank you
thank you very much!
i just poured green oil all over you
however many times you have to reset
you have to reset
*****
a wheelster has to show how that's even possible and keep the wheel going around
but that would be details i guess
so i don't push THAT
but when they go "all i have to do is prove an arcane equation that everyone including newton missed",
or "all i have to do is build a pump"
i crack
then one has to give me at least a HINT as to HOW it's powered
not even powered--just reset
if you think that'll get you ripped off
then why ANY details here?
ego?
prick teasery? wot? seriously

and if one can't handle a questioning sceptic
why did one grace us with it?

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I only wanted to point out your mistake... I never said I have a working wheel yet!.

Powered:- by deflecting weights from their normal path.

Smith66.

Please continue with your interesting thread.

[Dwylbtzle]

i understood that
yes
twice as many resets as i had said

but someone has to show me how that's done
he described strings--hanging from the rim?
swinging both ways or only one?
sagging down onto the rim
or what?
going up
on the left
just from ooomph--and coming around
and resetting the pump handle and pumping itself?
forever and ever because it was pumped?
that's going because it went
and that takes extraordinary proof
(and certainly more than "if i build this pump that'll show all YOUSE guys
and i will be laughing at you!")
before calling names for one asking, at least

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and HUH?
i never said you said you had a working wheel or not
but i wish you did and hope you do someday

:)

[eccentrically1]

Dwylbtzle,
what is the command or whatever to post an animation like the one on the last page of the man morphing into the dog?

[Ed]

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[eccentrically1]

I tried posting the gif animation of angular momentum on the C of AM thread using the img tags, but it didn't work. Maybe I got the script wrong, or now that I see the size maybe it was just too big. Thanks!

[smith66]

Hi Dwylbtzle

I think you will find :- everything has to be reset every half revolution while the wheel is still powered.

ol' nicky:
even better :)
twice as good
thank you
thank you very much!
i just poured green oil all over you
however many times you have to reset
you have to reset
*****
a wheelster has to show how that's even possible and keep the wheel going around
but that would be details i guess
so i don't push THAT
but when they go "all i have to do is prove an arcane equation that everyone including newton missed",
or "all i have to do is build a pump"
i crack
then one has to give me at least a HINT as to HOW it's powered
not even powered--just reset
if you think that'll get you ripped off
then why ANY details here?
ego?
prick teasery? wot? seriously

and if one can't handle a questioning sceptic
why did one grace us with it?

***************

I only wanted to point out your mistake... I never said I have a working wheel yet!.

Powered:- by deflecting weights from their normal path.

Smith66.

Please continue with your interesting thread.

Nick,
It's difficult to discuss anything when this thread has been invaded.
What dwizzle ignores is that wheels rotate.
Because of this, what's that Old saying ?
I remember now, what goes up must come down. That's pretty basic for anyone who has built wheels.
It's just that when a lever on it's way down can pump, the lever moving towards the top will also drop allowing the weights to work together.

[Ed]

James, for what it's worth, and from what I can tell so far, I think you are saying some good stuff...in your own strange way. Don't give up saying it. At some point, if the arguing can be kept at bay, more people may see value in what you are saying. :-)

[smith66]

@All,
This is what dwizzle misses and as Ed says, I am no different than him.
This is something that can and should work. And if you notice the short levers above the level of the axle, they haven't moved outward yet.
Simple understanding in physics, what goes up must come down.
And as the levers rotate upwards, they fall towards the center of the wheel.
Dwizzle disagrees with this and I won't quote Bessler as having said that weights move towards the center or group together, After a;;, what could that possibly mean ? After all, English IS my second language so it can not be expected of me to understand THAT foreign language.
And Mt 125 is what the very observant dwizzle said is the basic pm idea and not the one in the video which resets as it swings downward. And yet he has asked a great many times how that happens.
Maybe if he got off drugs and learned to read he wouldn/t have missed those things which everybody else has been aware of as his questions were asked and answered.
I think Chris asked early on and I gave him the best answer I could with a video showing how it could work.
So Ed, please tell me again how I am like dwizzle. I'd like to think I learned a little something when I went to school and work and paid attention and took the time to learn.

http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae27 ... wheel2.jpg

and the basic idea THIS thread is about, 2 videos, one showing the reset mechanism and how it works and the other showing how much over balance causes how much momentum in the weights as they rotate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1XxooCL5l0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mnDWnYEfew

and Ed, didn't you ask in another thread after I posted this how much over balance creates how much acceleration ? I can show your post if you like but you and dwizzle are kind of late to the boat.

edited to add; The Da Wasserrad will work. Of course it's Bessler's and as my older brother Paul always said is the best way to be successful is to emulate someone who has been successful.

edited to ad, Ed, I went and got it. You were discussing with Jim_Mich how force can be derived from centrifugal motion which it can't unless the work is one something outside of the pump/wheel. Ye, such a different tone considering something that is possible and my discussing something that is possible.

Jim, just to be clear, are you saying that as the weights move in and out the wheel's speed remains constant (after reaching top rpm), or are you saying the speed will fluctuate but that it will be imperceptible? I was working on the math, but will have to pick up on that tomorrow. I could be wrong, but it seems that even around 3 inches of movement would be noticeable. How much power can you get from only one inch?


Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 5:45 am http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... uch#111107

You see Ed, the reason I find this so funny is it is a somewhat accurate description of how a gravity powered water wheel would work if it had a pendulum attached to it to help regulates it's velocity.
with out the pendulum, there would be noticeable surges in acceleration and deceleration because of the volume of water being moved at any given time.
I guess this is where schooling kind of pays off. :-(

[Ed]

I never said you were like him. I said there are examples of the three of us interrupting at various times in different threads. I said that in order to illustrate to the three of us (and maybe others) should all try to get along better. Do you understand now?

[smith66]

James, for what it's worth, and from what I can tell so far, I think you are saying some good stuff...in your own strange way. Don't give up saying it. At some point, if the arguing can be kept at bay, more people may see value in what you are saying. :-)

umm, Ed, I have put up with crap for 7 or 8 years for applying math to engineering.
Even in here I was told to drop the math and play word games. And I am quite tired of dwizzle repeating the same question when it has already been answered in this thread.
He should get off the crack or what ever it is that he's on.
I think people will take this personal Ed but the only opinion that really matters is mine because of the time and money I have spent better learning how to build a water wheel.
And since Monday I find out when I return to work, I may go build it by myself and save myself a rather nasty headache.

[smith66]

I never said you were like him. I said there are examples of the three of us interrupting at various times in different threads. I said that in order to illustrate to the three of us (and maybe others) should all try to get along better. Do you understand now?

I find that laughable considering I had building interrupted by dwizzle because he doesn't understand how anything can work. not my problem.
By the way, ever play that strange game called tether ball where the ball "magically" moves inward or towards center as it rotates.
I just wonder if anyone has ever figured out how that could possibly happen. I sure would like to know.
Maybe I should go to a playground and ask a kid. I'd get a better answer from them than some crack head.

[Ed]

You are right about your own opinion, but we all have to decide whether it's worth posting on this forum and putting up with other people's responses. Some are worth it and others are not, but obviously we must get something out of being here or we could just stop coming.

Good luck with your build, and I do hope you fully recover from surgery quickly and don't need more.

[smith66]

Ed,
It is like Dwizzle posted perpetual motion is IMPOSSIBLE because Newton and science are not wrong.
And yet you say my ways are strange because I am willing to work within the limits that engineering allows for.
Have fun posting with your friend, I am sure he will keep you entertained.

[Ed]

I didn't mean strange in a negative way. (double sigh) I can't win no matter what I say to you! My own way of explaining things could be seen as strange by others. See? I'm not saying anything you should be getting upset about.

[smith66]

Ed,
What is so strange about posting an idea and posting a diagram before building it ?
After all, this is why dwizzle won't leave me alone.
After all, he bases his credibility on something he did during the last mollenium.