Transfer weight design

[Beginners Mind]

Resubmitting the above drawing in two parts for better legibility.

[Tarsier79]

I don't see it doing much at all. As it rotates CW, the lever will fall. No forces act to move the lever CCW until the lever is lifted against gravity on the other side and swings itself against friction back to the right side. I suspect it will never return to the original horizontal position, at least on the RHS.

[agor95]

We could look at the principle with the view to improve instead of reject?

When you look at the drawings one can reject what you see.
Before you do that it is best too check the opposite implementation.

That being instead of holding the lever out at 4 o'clock on the way down.
Use the small wheel to move it in towards the axle by 4 o'clock on the way up.

Also I think the small wheel would be best rotating in the opposite direction.
The slip-spring would have a small weight. As the lever raises to 4 o'clock the friction reduces. The 1-way bearing is to stop slide back.

Three of these levers would be helpful.

Watch out for fixing the levers by torque from the main wheel all the time results in a balanced wheel.

P.S. I think this principle needs to use the difference between static friction and moving friction of the 'slip-spring'.

[Tarsier79]

We could look at the principle with the view to improve instead of reject?

Weights give energy to the wheel when they fall. So if a weight never falls, there will be no wheel movement... Again, there is no point shifting weight horizontally. Even if you came up with a way to hold the weight out to the side, it would not give any positive influence on wheel rotation. I see nothing worth improving.

Gravity has its rules.

[agor95]

I agree in your opinion that expecting a dead weight to increase the wheel's rotation and then repeat is a lot to ask.

That is why it's best to look for dynamic interactions of several types instead of one.

I think the principle here is trying to keep the lever more to one side of it's pivot.
So torque is applied and any increase of height is canceled by another mass losing height.

And again it all comes to the slip-spring friction differences.

All the Best

[Sam Peppiatt]

Calloway is on the right track, no question about it. However, my feeling is; it needs a 2nd pendulum to do the lifting. I.E, another pend. to keep rotating the lever arm up ward, (CCW), as the wheel turns CW. I don't see out the arm can lift it's self up-----------------------------Sam

[agor95]

So a balanced main wheel with two, three etc; lever arms.

Regards

[Sam Peppiatt]

agor95, If you mean static balance, yes. Each arm would have a pendulum to do the lifting. They would work in pairs, one doing the lifting, the other being lifted. The big question has always been though, how to do that. As the wheel turns CW, the pendulum will turn CCW. It would connect to the lever arm, in some way, to continuously lift it up, providing constant torque to the wheel----------------------------Sam

[Sam Peppiatt]

agor95, Why do I get the feeling, that you don't have a clue what I'm talking about------------------------Sam

[agor95]

agor95, Why do I get the feeling, that you don't have a clue what I'm talking about------------------------Sam

I can understand that feeling. For I have only half a brain on the forum and the other half on rebuilding the Steampunks web site.

P.S. where is Calloway?

[Sam Peppiatt]

agor95, Never mind; I'm sure he is fighting with it, it's very difficult-----------------------------Sam

[agor95]

Calloway is on the right track, no question about it. However, my feeling is; it needs a 2nd pendulum to do the lifting. I.E, another pend. to keep rotating the lever arm up ward, (CCW), as the wheel turns CW. I don't see out the arm can lift it's self up-----------------------------Sam

The partial idea I currently have is the main wheel turns CW.
Then the small wheel is setup as a planetary gear with one or two others.
These rotate CCW and have there own lever arm with a slip-spring.

I am thinking you are using one level to lift the other.

It's looking for a connection to achieve that lifting.

In the process described the pendulums are rotated CCW when the spring's friction takes. This caused counter torque unfortunately.

I think Calloway uses a one-way bearing to reduce this counter torque.
If that is the case the small wheel is on a sleave [tube] around a pivot pin fixed to the main wheel.

So where does that get us?

All The Best

[Sam Peppiatt]

Calloway, I think your small wood wheel should be a pendulum. That way, as the wheel turns CW, the wood wheel would turn CCW. The friction between it and the spring, would lift the arm up. If you will forgive me for suggesting it. I don't know, I'm not sure------------------------Sam

[agor95]

It's like looking at a knife edge. What interest me and any concept is how to analyze, describe and present the findings. Without these we end up cutting into our time and money.

The two side of the knife are of cause: increased momentum of the main wheel or net zero increase in momentum.

There will be a reduction of momentum in the main wheel to lift the pendulums.
That in itself is an initial acceleration and then an increase in height of a pendulum.

This height gained is returned to the main wheel.

There is a difference were there are two or more pendulums. For a pendulum lifted on the ascending
will be lifted less than a descending lever.

Something to think about

[Calloway]

All I'm doing in this design is allowing the springs to push the pendulums out some further than normal. That's it. The springs apply pressure to the pendulum from the shaft such as in a CW turn to allow them to travel further out going down than normal, and not to travel out as far going up on the up side. The one way bearings assist in this procedure. My pendulums are light but long. 8 inches. Configure the spring to apply pressure to the pendulum to the right side for CW. It doesn't have to be that noticeable. But the spring and CF will push the pendulum out further than normal as the wheel turns. My experience is that it takes a minimum of 4 pendulums. But slow. 8 pendulums is the best setup.

Cheers