What MT 138 Really IS!

[Fcdriver]

Rotation causing a shift in weights, vs a shift in weights causing rotation? How does that work as rpm increases?

[TheVisitorV]

Fcdriver: was this a question for me?

if so i don't understand it.

[TheVisitorV]

more tests, there seem to actually be something here but no idea how to make it cycle properly yet and also increase the effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLfPrPt-2mc

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[cloud camper]

This is just another modified Roberval - dead as a doornail.

Anytime you have parallelogram linkages you have added a Roberval.

Adding Robervals, using sliding weights and putting the cart in front of the horse are three of the most common newbie errors and our visitor is making two of them here but fortunately has moved on from sliding weights!

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[agor95]

I understand learning what is required takes time math, drawing etc.

One thing to Learn-and-return with is the use of the return key at he end of lines.

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[agor95]

Thank you silent - a smart phone has it's value - however it would drive me mad using it too communicate to this forum.

Regards

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[agor95]

I recommend you choose some names here you like and are positive.

Then ignore those who are negative.

I see the light in the forum and looking away from the dark.

[agor95]

silent

I just checked my dumb phone.

There is a quick method for a return key.

The O key supplies symbols. left curser and it will move you from '.'
to the return key symbol. You can use that to do the return line.

[Fletcher]

Hi Denver .. IINM = If I'm Not Mistaken, IIRC = If I Remember Correctly.

Here are some Bessler quotes from JC's books (from the wiki clues page) that I think everybody should take the time to contemplate carefully. I've highlighted certain parts to draw your attention to them. Reading them a couple of times could save you a life-time of effort.

Bessler suggests that there is a real mechanical paradox to be solved to find true PM (which he eventually managed after much trial and error). In an ideal and linear world the mechanical paradox conditions should first be theorized and identified, before being mechanically solved, much like a career theoretical physicist would do before proving by experimentation. But Bessler was just like us, he put the cart before the horse, repeatably, until he had a dream. Then for the first time he saw the paradoxical conditions of the mechanics of true PM and the actual mechanical principle to solve that paradox. And the solution was incredibly simple. So embarrassingly simple that he had to say it was 'deeply hidden', tho I doubt that very much. And those two little words "deeply hidden" have kept generations wonderfully deflected and occupied trying to overturn solid Newtonian Physics and mechanics with a special mechanism that doesn't obey those Laws.

For Bessler's wheels to 'work' they had to obey the Laws of Nature. I have been saying for quite some time that they must also obey Newtonian Laws of Motion and Classical Physics and Mechanics. And those same man made Laws tell us a mechanical paradox allowing for a true gravity powered PM wheel can not exist.

But it does likely exist IMO - and when found will be entirely self evident and discernible, and the paradox will not be in the mechanics of some special uniquely behaving mechanism but will be that an engine machine of ordinary mechanics and principles can extract usable energy from a gravity field without losing or being given potential.

"for I put together the very first device which could spontaneously revolve a little. I saw that I had finally made the right choice, and why the earlier ones had been wrong. My heart leapt for joy at the sight of this genuine Mobile" – AP pg 271

"Even Wagner, wherever he is now, will have heard that one pound can cause the raising of more than one pound. He writes that, to date, no one has ever found a mechanical arrangement sufficient for the task. He’s right ! So am I, and does anyone see why ? What if I were to teach the proper method of mechanical application? Then people would say: “Now I understand !� – AP pg 342

“Listen – my weights are not like those in turnspits and clocks. They don’t need to be raised up – it’s a different arrangement altogether from what you see in mill-wheels, turnspits and clocks� - AP pg 334

"many would-be Mobile-makers think that if they can arrange for some of the weights to be a little more distant from the center than the others, then the thing will surely revolve. A few years ago, I learned all about this the hard way. And then the truth of the old proverb came home to me that one has to learn through bitter experience" – AP pg 295-296

"he can rack his brains and work his fingers to the bones with all sorts of ingenious ideas about adding extra weights here and there. The only result would be that his wheel will get heavier and heavier - it would run longer if it were empty!" – AP pg 295

Best of luck on your journey !

[daanopperman]

cloud camper ,

Surely you cannot make a mistake calling this Jim Mich pictograph a Robberval balance .

The weights is kept in a torquing position by the connection between them . This connection allow the mass to induce a positive torque about the axis , just as if you would apply torque about the axis with a crowbar . The weight in this case is felt by the wheel where the mass is relative to the wheel .

As I have said before , the only reason a robberval balance is a balance is because of the friction in the base to whatever it is standing on , but I would love to see you build a robberval balance around a axis , like on a wheel .

But alas , no matter what you do , there is no gain in this setup , only temporary , till the weights has spent it's PE .

By moving the weights to a outer position to gain leverage , on the next cycle you have to move the next set of weights even further to bring the 1st weight back up to where it was before , just to balance your input , so the only way to create a gravity only driven wheel is to keep on increasing the dia of the wheel with every revolution no matter how many weights in the wheel .

Daan .

[cloud camper]

Daanno - of course not - was referring to the modified Roberval shown in YT video https://youtu.be/TFTkqX5a6u4