Besslers prime mover and its enabler.

[SHADOW]

Bonjour Roxaway,
Votre dernière simulation se met en équilibre dans ma version Algodoo elle me semble moins performant que la précédente!
Pour avoir la réponse à votre question, qui est à mon sens pertinente, il faut passer par une construction de votre roue.

Hello Roxaway,
Your last simulation is balanced in my version Algodoo it seems to me less efficient than the previous one!
To get the answer to your question, which is in my opinion relevant, you have to go through a construction of your wheel.

[Roxaway59]

Hi Shadow, yes I have a feeling that a real build may be necessary but WM2D should be capable of simulating this correctly so I'm not planning on doing that at the moment.

Take the last sim and remove all the main weights except the one near 3 o'clock and the one on the opposite side and reduce the balancing weight to 100g and let me know how yours behaves when you run it.

This basically means its running on one crossbar.

Graham

[SHADOW]

Cela ne vas pas mieux, cela oscille en sens horaire et anti horaire!

It is not better, it oscillates in the clockwise and anti-clockwise direction!

[SHADOW]

J'ai le matériel pour construire la précédente version, je te tiens au courant sur sa crédibilité sans la boucle de rétroaction!
J'irais peut être plus loin si je vois qu'il y a du potentiel!

I have the material to build the previous version, I keep you informed about its credibility without the feedback loop!
Maybe I’ll go further if I see that there is potential!

[Roxaway59]

That seems strange Shadow because your version seems to be acting differently to mine.

Yes that would be great if you think you can build the first one. I don't think it would be easy to make but I know you are a very capable builder.

I look forward to seeing what a real build behaves like.

Graham

[daxwc]

That seems strange Shadow because your version seems to be acting differently to mine.

I noticed this before myself where your comments wasn’t matching what I was seeing. That something got changed in the upload.

Maybe that isn't what you meant ;/

[Roxaway59]

Dax does the last sim go over unity in your version of Algodoo?

Graham

[daxwc]

So if I take the motor off and pin it down and take all the energy out then it is static.

If I give it a nudge it slowly takes off.

I never took the time to see the upper limit if there isn't one then I don't believe the SIM.

[Roxaway59]

Yes I know what you mean about the upper limit and generally it is something that I look for too.

In this case its a little bit different though because there isn't anything to limit it.

The sim has very little if any friction and air resistance is off.

It ends up with a constant over balance and there isn't anything to stop it.

That's not how it would be in the real world of course and one of the biggest problems would be bearing resistance.

Because of that the over balance (which is weak on mine) has got to be strong enough to overcome these resistances or it cant work.

What I need to do is increase the overbalance.

Graham

[Roxaway59]

Hi Shadow I thought it best to give an update on some of the things I am seeing in WM2D.

So far the only thing that I am seeing in WM2D is a general oscillation at the speed at which the motor is set.

The oscillation patterns can be complex and one of these fooled me into thinking the wheel had a positive trend but this turned out to be a repeating trend lasting about 30 seconds or so which I think is quite odd in itself.

So I will keep on experimenting in WM2D to see if I can make something happen.

Obviously if WM2D is showing things accurately then a real build would only demonstrate the feasibility of a real build and give an opportunity to try different weights in the hope of finding some kind of resonance and positive feedback in the real world.

Graham

[johannesbender]

I remember seeing some type of version of this software that was suppose to be a more accurate type of thing , but i cant remember it , perhaps it was something else , if i come across it again i would mention .