Cosmic Energy Electricity Generators

[rlortie]

Vic,

I tried opening your above link on Searl, a name well known among free energy seekers since the 1980's. The link did not open for me.

Any way a google search provided the following links.

http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&o ... arl+Effect

Unfortunetly I only got 83,300 hits for the Searl Effect.

Ralph

[ken_behrendt]

That "Searl Effect" goes back to the 60's or 70's IIRC. At the time it was claimed to be the secret of UFO propulsion. When the UFO field did not embrace it, it disappeared for a while and now seems to be re-emerging as the secret of free energy generation. When that fails to get it enough attention, I expect it to disappear and pop up again a decade or so from now as the secret to something else.


Anyway, as far as this thread is concerned, it is obvious to me that its real purpose is not to provide us with any meaningful information about Tseung's group's "Cosmic" energy devices. If that was the real purpose, then we would have seen some testable designs long ago.


ken

[ltseung888]

Michael and All,

Thank you for posting the Private Mail. It shows that you and this group are very open. At the same time, it showed that there were some basic misconception on what are Force, Energy, Work and Velocity.

I was hoping that some of you could come up with the mechanical design of the Bessler Wheel yourself with only some suggestions from me. Now I am going to be bold.

I shall provide a design drawing of the Bessler Wheel that could be built in the 17 Century on Aug 3, 2006 – one month after my initial post.

Here I shall give you some Hints on that design:

(1) A Uniform Weight gravity extraction wheel is used.
(2) The Central Axle is the energy extractor.
(3) A small wheel at the rim using friction is the pulse force.
(4) The energy for (3) comes from (2).
(5) A hand start crank is used to get the initial required rotational speed.

Mark the date - Aug 3, 2006.

[LustInBlack]

Damn it Tseung, your design sounds familiar to what I am doing ...

I don't mind sharing it with others, let's see if you come up with something similar ...


This principle I am showing you, uses friction to drive the outer wheels with the inner rotors.

The ratchet system permit locking of the friction mecanism so it pushes the outer wheels down ; at the same time, this ratchet, permits outer wheels to rotate faster than the "push" ..

The Ratchets are fixed on springs which are fixed to arms that have a rotation axle.

Red is stop for the arm .


Principle doesn't work as is it, the ratio of size doesn't match.

That's what I am currently building.

KEN : This looks like what you have shown on the forum a while ago .. The symetrical double push system ..

However, I'm using gravity as the fuel, not spring.

[John Collins]

This is ridiculous! For a start Bessler didn't build his wheel until the 18th century, and I know that the axle was not the energy extractor (what ever that is!) - and what does " A Uniform Weight gravity extraction wheel" mean? Does he mean that there is no overbalancing? If so say so - or explain.

His version is not the same as Bessler's. Bessler's wheels started spontaneously - no "hand crank" was necessary. Or does he mean that his machine can turn in both directions, like Bessler's later models? They of course needed a push in one direction to set them off. If his can turn either way, what differences are there in the performances between the two versions?

I've marked that date with complete indifference.

John Collins

[ken_behrendt]

I predict that when the date finally arrives, one of two things will happen:

a.) Nothing...we will not hear from Mr. Tseung again.

Or,

b.) We will be treated to yet more "block diagram" type schematics with no actual construction details. Requests for details will be "answered" with vector diagrams and referrals back to his FAQ's.


ken

[Jon J Hutton]

Ok....while we are on predictions,,,,but first, you could not pay me to be in Mr. T's shoes.

Because Besslers clues are shrouded so much in mystery for what ever reason...this has lead to each person seeing the elephant differently. When the time comes everyone will have reason to say that is not Besslers wheel because.......Everyone will be right in their own eyes. I'll be really optimistic here and say that if he posts it....and I bielieve he will because saving face is very important in China. The proof will have to be based on if it works.

While I am on the subject I do not bielieve that a computer design or written formula will give way to PM..It will come from a person who is a builder a craftsman, who perhaps by accident rediscovers the movement. Like so many inventions discovered by accident, rubber, telephone (to some extent), Radio, and many others. These were discovered not by someone behind a desk but by the pure force of sweating it out in a wood or metal shop.....IMO.

JJH

[John Collins]

I do not bielieve that a computer design or written formula will give way to PM..It will come from a person who is a builder a craftsman, who perhaps by accident rediscovers the movement.

I agree 100 per cent Jon, anyone who has spent time building something with their hands knows the truth of this.

John Collins

[ltseung888]

Hints:

(1) The mother pushing her child on a Swing is already a simple form of Over Unity Device. (Looks like nobody in the group understood the mathematics. So I omit all mathematics in my future posts.)

(2) The Swing can be proven to be an Over Unity Device with COU = 1.5

(3) A more efficient Over Unity Device is the flywheel with a suitable pulse force. The efficiency depends partly on how many times one can apply the pulse force per sec. The flywheel is both a gravity energy extractor and a storage. Make sure the axle is horizontal.

(4) The even better Over Unity Device is the cylinder with almost all the mass concentrate at the rim. The pulse force can be at the rim. Make sure the axle is horizontal.

(5) Lee Cheung Kin discovered this on around Dec 10, 2004. We then worked out the vigorous mathematics and found that many of the "rejected perpetual motion machines" actually used the above priniciple. Bessler Wheel is only one example.

(6) The two easiest modern day examples are the Joe Newman Machine (a form of double or feedback motor) first announced in about 1965 and the third Cosmic Energy Electricity Generator put on a car by Dr. Liang video taped in September 2003.

(7) All these inventors "hit on" their inventions without the help of our theory. Now many of them are improving their inventions and getting their patents re-examined by the Patent Offices with our theory.

If your group accepts that a simple Cylinder with an axle can act as an efficient Gravity Energy Extractor, you can come up with dozens of working designs within days.

See if you can beat the design to be posted on Aug 3, 2006.

[rlortie]

You have got to be kidding, or believe you are communicating with a bunch of simpletons.

(3) A more efficient Over Unity Device is the flywheel with a suitable pulse force. The efficiency depends partly on how many times one can apply the pulse force per sec. The flywheel is both a gravity energy extractor and a storage. Make sure the axle is horizontal.

(4) The even better Over Unity Device is the cylinder with almost all the mass concentrate at the rim. The pulse force can be at the rim. Make sure the axle is horizontal.

What is new in either of the above statements. Heavy rim flywheels have been a used fact since the invention of the steam engine. "Gravity energy extractor", where do you get this stuff? A fly wheel works by inertia and kinetic force and must be activated by an outside force.

The only thing missing here is an attempted, impressive explanation as to why the axis should be horizontal, I know why, do you?

As an example I bring your attention that as I recall, a heavy rim cast iron flywheel of 40 feet in diameter, connected to a steam engine pumped water out of a gold mine in Carson City Nevada, with a lift of over 1,300 feet. This took place before the turn of the 19th Century (mid 1800's for you)

The weight of the pump rod that long in itself would have been of tremendous weight to lift, let alone a 1,300 foot head of water.

Now I ask you, how does this fact stand up to your air induced water system, and what is so new about a flywheel with a heavy rim?

Your play on words reminds me of when I was 16 years of age I was known by the present term of associate in charge of consumer containerism. Only in my day it was better known a a Bag Boy and Carryout in a grocery store.

Ralph

[cw]

Remember what I said about hip waders?

[Joel Wright]

ltseung888
You missed the boat by at least 83 years on pulse powered fly wheels.

[ken_behrendt]

Well, I guess that we will all just have to be patient until August 3rd.

I, too, am curious to see exactly how a flywheel, which is not chronically overbalanced, is supposed to "extract" energy from gravity.

Mr. Tseung makes it sound like this can be done on all types of devices from pendula to rotating cylinders. But, we have yet to see any details of the actual mechanisms that will do this. All we have seen so far are "block diagrams" implying it can be done.

Could it be possible that he really does not have the mechanism that does this, but only obtained some general Chinese design type patents to cover any future mechanisms that could do this just in case they are ever invented to someone? A cynic might say that he posted here in order to get us to fill in the details for him so he could obtain more Chinese patents on those ideas!

I do hope this is not the case...


ken

[Michael]

I think cw has caught the essence of itseung's machine.

Bull is in wheel. Bull poops. This causes wheel to become unbalanced. Wheel turns as sh*t hits the bottom of the wheel. Sh*t fertilizes the grass at the bottom of the wheel. Grass grows. Bull eat grass ( effectively eating its own sh*t ). Process begins again.

[Michael]

Hints:

(1) The mother pushing her child on a Swing is already a simple form of Over Unity Device. (Looks like nobody in the group understood the mathematics. So I omit all mathematics in my future posts.)

I can go and pull every single book I've purchased on alternate energy that's been published in the last 15 years and all will have that example. The example has nothing to do with over unity, it has to do with resonance. People like to lump all of Tesla's work together in one batch and call it "free".

If your group accepts that a simple Cylinder with an axle can act as an efficient Gravity Energy Extractor, you can come up with dozens of working designs within days.

Sounds like Bedini.