Gravity is not a conservative force.

[Aman]

Dwylbtzle,I felt as if you are in a different world together.Get the patent publshed in official gazette and allow people to use your idea free of cost if you do not want to make money but want only respect.

[Dwylbtzle]

oh that IS what I plan to do, eventually
i'm just gonna take some precautions first
i have some ideas

and one of them is: if one were to come in looking like one might put every oil company and coal mine and power conglomerate out of business
might someone be a mite pissed at one?
so one better come in the right way

[Dwylbtzle]

type the words:
"inventor of carburetor found dead in desert"
into google
and welcome to my world

[Dwylbtzle]

http://peswiki.com/energy/Directory:Sup ... _Gag_Order

my instincts appear to be right
i don't think the patent office would be the smart way to go

specifically, see: 7.1 patent office and national security gag order

[Aman]

Well Dwylbtzle,
This is yet another type of free energy suppression :First New ideas to Pseudoscience and from Psuedoscience to Trash can.

http://www.thescienceforum.com/trash-ca ... ngine.html

These Science Forums moderators can not understand even simple physics.
This is what I commented recently:

"""
According to me this is no way a trash.
Infact the machenism of failure of two column supported beam works similarly.Let weight W be loaded at centre.The overcomeability of a good beam should be less at initial stage.Initially there will be allmost an equal and opposite reaction from the beam for the weight loading,with little energy spent for deformation.Slowly ATOMIC Dislocation takes place(slippage of atomic planes/slippage of grain boundaries)and a point reaches where stress become unbearable(stress is resistance to deformation).As the stress become unbearable,there will be minimum equal and opposite reaction for the weight loading and then the most amount of continuous gravitational energy will be used to overcome this beam resistance/stress and finally the beam breaks.This is analogous to what happens in my engine with the exception of the speed at which all this happens.This is what I learnt in Material Science subject.No good material science Professor in machenical engineering would deny this.

So my engine does not go against laws of physics.In fact what I have told here in this comment is the backbone of structural engineering and the first question for an interview could be "how beams fail under self weight load and external weight load."I wished that this thread be in Pseudoscience category.
"""

And the most horrible experience is with Science Hypography forum with idiot moderator called CraigD who deleted my content and deletes all free energy content.CraigD also cannot even understand basic physics used in my engine because he is not ready to accept that gravity engines do not violate physics and can be made.

Also see:
http://community.discovery.com/eve/foru ... 48301/p/23

[Dwylbtzle]

i can empathise with yer dilemma--i, myself, have found that SOME people, when i trust them enough to explain what i have seen, can grasp it immediately--whereas an equal number will fight it and go to rediculous extremes to TRY to NOT believe it--just because they think they have enough scientific knowledge to KNOW it can't be true--

i suppose innovators in every field of endeavor have ever run into the same sort of thing

it's an aspect of human nature, i guess

once they are convinced that a "perpetual motion machine" can't exist--
they stop listening to ANYTHING

considering that something, that uses gravity as an external source of energy, is NOT a perpetual motion machine becomes beyond them
silly
yes
but there it is
something makes them want to fight it
"it just CAN'T BE!"

but, then--a LOT of people see it instantly--it's really so simple and fundamenal i can't believe it isn't already known
i think someone doesn't want anyone using this
people willing to kill if they have to

i hate to believe it--but i have enough evidence that it cetainly gives me pause
i strongly suggest that anyone here who thinks they have the answer to bessler's wheel be very careful

if someone thinks they are going to start small and then grow gradually (with getting this going world-wide EVENTUALLY)--they may find themselves the proverbial 'baby strangled in the crib' (so to speak)

i think we would first need to convince a billonaire--like the facebok kid, maybe--who could SLAM this out--world-wide
instantly
and then BAM--it'd be impossible to quash

well, that's ONE idea

[Aman]

Yes I do agree with you!We need to advertise our inventions on Facebook,yahoo! and google with joint collabration and infact involve Bill Gates Foundation for promotion.We need to do something that will provide us a platform for introducing Green Gravity Energy politically.

I said few times,"There is a brain drain happening......".This is correct when people neglect laws of physics to proove that Gravity engines are not possible.It is horrible and foolishness to see that most outside forum science field people are Conservative,who discard logical proofs and laws of physics they always used,to proove that gravity engines are not possible.These people look funny and idiots in front of me and real scientists working on real gravity engines.

One of the most illogical explanations from opponents is that-Gravity is conservative AND work done depends on P.E.,so gravity engines are not possible.This shows they do not have capacity to think properly and they give answers which do not have any connection with feasibility of gravity engines.

[Aman]

One more illogical explanation from Opponents: "Gravity is not energy source but it is a force".
I answered:"There is no force without Energy."

These opponents were actually violating the law of conservation of energy,as if no energy is needed to displace anything and anything will move on its own,from up to down.

[Dwylbtzle]

gravity can be called a force because it produces an energy phenomenon--but people have explained it as NOT being a force--like other forces
because everything it does is wholly a result of the warp it causes in the space-time continuum=--so yer never gonna find some frequency or wavelength or gravity particle that can be channeled or manipulated or reversed--like electricity

advertising on facebook etc would be part of it--maybe
but my current theory is:
you better make a working model first--and then reveal it to a sympathetic billionare and get him to back you FIRST--and then produce it and start distributing it all over the world before revealing it to the US patent office and trying to start small and grow
that's what the carburetor guy did--and they found his carcase rotting in the desert
forget patenting it
just be the first and best at producing it--and let anyone try to make a better one--don't try to keep it for yourself completely with a patent---

that's basically what bessler did--and he shamefully and tragically took it to his grave

why do you think nothing ever gets released?--you REALLY think no-one has ever really invented anything beyond fossil fueled stuff?

i don't
i think plenty of things work
and they mysteriosly never get anywhere

did you read that list of all the weird horrible things that have happened to inventors?

we're trying to take a really big lollypop away from some really big mean bullies
let's not be naive
there are people in this world who will slit yer throut for five bucks, for pete's sake
let alone THIS--

best just assume yer dealing with guys who make the mafia look like chiorboys--they're willing to choke the whole earth before they're gonna give up their sweet fossil lollypop monopoly

this is nothing new...haven't you ever read welsh mythology? i think it was mannawadyn and his girlfried...when they fell upon hard times and were on the run--they got by by inventing a blue glaze and they made blue glazed shoes that became all the rage--and eveyone just HAD to have them--so then all the shoe makers in town tried to kill them--so they had to go on the run again

and that was just over frikkin SHOES!

[Tarsier79]

D. you will probably find building a working model will be harder than you at first think. Fair enough, have a plan, but your statement build a working model first is the biggest difficulty ahead of you.

Good luck

FWIW, every non-working model proves gravity's conservativeness.

[Aman]

D. you will probably find building a working model will be harder than you at first think. Fair enough, have a plan, but your statement build a working model first is the biggest difficulty ahead of you.

Good luck

FWIW, every non-working model proves gravity's conservativeness.

Thankyou very much!

1)I am making a working model at my house.

2) Concept was experimentally proven,so difficulty lies in using and getting right electronics,motors,generators,commutator and materials,and not the concept.

3) I hope my design would be Succesfully patented.

4) I discussed Analogous example on Flickr only due to initial Patent law compatibility.I would have revealed the whole engine design itself instead of analogy BUT ;;;
(A)"A patent document is published in Official gazette for public Opposition and further legal processing ONLY if the idea is novel AND it is never and not at all published anywhere else."—This is what patent law says.
(B)Not only this,any body can copy the invention and patent it before you if you disclose it without publication in patent office. "

You can actually disclose your invention only if your doc is officially published in official Gazette.Such a publication does not grant you a patent but prevents anybody else to apply for same patent.Once your patent is published in patent Gazette,it is open for public opposition and the patent processing continues untill Court declares as "Patent Granted".A patent grant does not prevent others from using your invention for own persional use,BUT it does not allow anybody else to use your invention for Commecialistion without official Agreement with you for about 20 years. Using for commercialisation by any one else without such agrement does not come under"Persional use" criterion.

[Aman]

Since the problem lies in selection of right Materials,Motors,generators and commutator etc with high Factor of Safety as possible,please suggest me how to select proper things from the market.I live in India,Bangalore.Also I want to make a small model/prototype,not very very big.

[Aman]

gravity can be called a force because it produces an energy phenomenon--but people have explained it as NOT being a force--like other forces
because everything it does is wholly a result of the warp it causes in the space-time continuum=--so yer never gonna find some frequency or wavelength or gravity particle that can be channeled or manipulated or reversed--like electricity

advertising on facebook etc would be part of it--maybe
but my current theory is:
you better make a working model first--and then reveal it to a sympathetic billionare and get him to back you FIRST--and then produce it and start distributing it all over the world before revealing it to the US patent office and trying to start small and grow
that's what the carburetor guy did--and they found his carcase rotting in the desert
forget patenting it
just be the first and best at producing it--and let anyone try to make a better one--don't try to keep it for yourself completely with a patent---

that's basically what bessler did--and he shamefully and tragically took it to his grave

why do you think nothing ever gets released?--you REALLY think no-one has ever really invented anything beyond fossil fueled stuff?

i don't
i think plenty of things work
and they mysteriosly never get anywhere

did you read that list of all the weird horrible things that have happened to inventors?

we're trying to take a really big lollypop away from some really big mean bullies
let's not be naive
there are people in this world who will slit yer throut for five bucks, for pete's sake
let alone THIS--

best just assume yer dealing with guys who make the mafia look like chiorboys--they're willing to choke the whole earth before they're gonna give up their sweet fossil lollypop monopoly

this is nothing new...haven't you ever read welsh mythology? i think it was mannawadyn and his girlfried...when they fell upon hard times and were on the run--they got by by inventing a blue glaze and they made blue glazed shoes that became all the rage--and eveyone just HAD to have them--so then all the shoe makers in town tried to kill them--so they had to go on the run again

and that was just over frikkin SHOES!

I agree with you fully on this and I am also making prototype.
Gravity is more complex than just a force.Infact according to Einstein's theory,it's a wrap of space time which I would like to study in detail.There are many other new theories regarding Gravity:The string theories(Quantum Field Theories),Theories of membranes like M-Theory,Theories of Gravitons.
If and when humans understand these theories properly,it will be possible for us to extract more Zero point Fluctuation Energy /Vaccum Energy and extract more gravitational energy.It's a matter of time when this Wonderful world of Quantum Field Dynamics would be understood much much much better than our today's understanding.

We are working on Grand Unification Theories which will unify all forces of nature in one: weak,strong,nuclear,electromagnetic,etc.which will take our consciousness to a altogether new greater level.

There is lot of energy in the universe.There is lot of energy in electrons of which 99 percent is simply not used efficiently due to entropy.There was never a time when Electron ceased to exist and there will never be a time when electron will cease to exist.We should only know how to harness the free energy,There was never a time of energy crisis,only the crisis was of Politics and disbelief of society towards Scientists inventing Free energy devices.
Actually it is "Freely available to me from nature"energy and not "free newly generated "energy.

[Andyb]

Hi all,just my two pennies worth regarding patents,i do not feel that a patent will help with the development globally of a gravity wheel ,what will help in my opinion is to arrange to share the design with others and build them and arrange to have them presented to the public at the same time,this will impact the population massively and help people to except this new state of awareness to energy and freedom ,some will agree some will fight this is human nature,what i believe is that the world really needs this jump and if we do not get it soon then world war three will stop it ,arguing with officials or each other will only waste more time and in my humble opinion we are running out.

These words come from the heart but the heart does not rule the world the head does and black hearts i have heard it said ,the way i see it is ,we either find a way to unite and form a plan or be separated by greed ,we have a choice i think it is time to make that choice and form that plan ,many have worked very hard to get were they are, can we not now find a way to pull all our united energy together and build a better world for all of us,ps i mean every thing on this planet ,this tecnology will create masses of unemployment from the present energy suppliers but eventually we will have to work together lower energy costs with no evident of a global impact is what we all need,it seems to me that all that is needed is a unity with overunity,open to suggestions please be polite ,all the best Andy b

[Aman]

Partially I agree with you Andyb.

What I would consider to do is make no. of different inventions for my future Earnings through other patents,apply for international patent for gravity Powered Engine.let the document application be first published in Official Gazzete for public opposition and then I will forget about further patent processing.

This will not only prove on internet that I was the real inventor giving me recognisation but also give free access to the world about my technology whether I recieve my patent or not.
And yes,we all inventors might apply for such official Gazzete publications and demonstrate our invention on all international channels collectively .In a world so big,demonstrating at one place,on one channel is not enough,you need to take help of google,Facebook,yahoo to advertise these demonstrations.Such promotion should be done on a very very large scale.

Such a Official gazette publication does not grant you a patent but prevents anybody else to apply for same patent.Once your patent is published in patent Gazette,it is open for public opposition and the patent processing continues untill Court declares as "Patent Granted".

Irrespective of whether I get patent or not,I would THEN like people to use my invention free of cost and let companies manufacture it without taking /giving innovation royalty!