Crazy as can be wheel concept

[ME]

[quote="In a "now something completely different" post, WaltzCee"]Speaking of the Wuhan Red Death, l heard WHO is investigating the possibility of
reinfection. Evidently it's a distinct possibility and it can come back the 2nd time with a
vengeance. What an amazing weapon. Better than a nuke and much easier to get into a
country.

I think one of the horsemen of the apocalypse (the pale horse) has saddled up.[/quote]
Hmm, it thought it was already determined that invivo anti-bodies had a half-life of a few weeks. Perhaps still checking to be sure.

Since we all know what the Corona-virus is capable of and how to hinder its kinetics I think it is now impatience, entitlement, ignorance and other self-excused insanity that form the main spread-factor.
Covid-19 is just like an indicator fluid to make that visible. It exists because it works.
I think it's 'haste' and other compensatory efforts for the first wave effect that could make the second wave very bad.

The only two who can relax and ride it out are the horseman and the horse. Just like the Corona virus itself, they bear no blame.
I know it is a bit sad but "horse with no blame" rhymes with "horse with no name".
Shouldn't that be a white horse?

[Georg Künstler]

Flecher wrote:

If you have more than one fixed CoR/axle then STATIC TM's analysis can be misleading and has to be modified by use of trigonometry (math), which is a more complex calculation. Otherwise, Dynamically the wheel will be subject to the same constraints of motion as the 'one fixed axle' situation above.

As i said before one fix axle will never work. You need at least 2 different turning points in the wheel.
The problem, what normally will disturb machines will be our advantage.
It can be found and is described in physics already as an parasitic oscillation.
So what is this parasitic oscillation ?
In short, a wave is carrying a wave.
When a wave is carrying a wave, it can be summed up to a wave with an higher amplitude.
So the timing when the two waves are acting must be synchronized to get this result.
You can use technics developed from Fourier to see how wave are summed up.
In addition to that we know from the eyewitness that they heard knocking on the downgoing side.
This is an additional hint of the characteristic of the wave.

So what can we take away with this knowledge for our construction ?
We need an moving carrier with some moving weights, all are going around.
That is what Bessler said the connectedness principle.

As Bessler made different versions, also the connectedness principle has to change, he had at least 2 different versions.

Extracting energy from gravity is only possible when you have an speed difference between up and down.
This is described from Besser as up in a flash.

What we can do in the construction is a delayed fall and a on the other part an up with a flash.
This includes the sentence from me, give gravity time to act.
There is no direct formula for this as far as I know.
We only can construct an energy equivalent which will cover this.

We have to use therefore as example a rocket which is staying one meter over the ground. I will look for such an example in a video.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrust_vectoring

To keep the rocket or airplane like a SU-30 one meter above the earth we need the following equations.
m1*v1 = m2*v2 this will allow us to stay 1 meter over the surface.

Even when the rocket is not moving, gravity is accelerating the mass downwards with E=1/2*m*v*v.
This is the energy which we must spend to keep it in that position.
That is the energy equivalent.

Here the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_Cgxy7N-V0&t=193s

[raj]

ARGUMENT well presented, Georg.

Raj

[ME]

You can use technics developed from Fourier to see how wave are summed up.

Fourier does not explain self-amplification, just that you can decompose a weird shape into "waves" - and vice versa.
When you talk about Fourier, then you also know that the average of a "wave" is zero. Many "waves" do not change that.

Besides, adding waves to create resonance requires a constant input.
The thing with Bessler's wheel is, when not hoaxed of course, all the input is contained within the wheel. So you can ration what is contained, and spread it in part out over time to create a resonance situation, or create thrust for that other example. In the best case that still sums up to that input you already had.

So both this Fourier-thingy as well as this thrust-vectoring presentation perfectly explains why perpetual motion can not work, and does not show a way out as implied.
We need something else.

[Georg Künstler]

ME wrote:

Fourier does not explain self-amplification, just that you can decompose a weird shape into "waves" - and vice versa.
When you talk about Fourier, then you also know that the average of a "wave" is zero. Many "waves" do not change that.

Besides, adding waves to create resonance requires a constant input.
The thing with Bessler's wheel is, when not hoaxed of course, all the input is contained within the wheel. So you can ration what is contained, and spread it in part out over time to create a resonance situation, or create thrust for that other example. In the best case that still sums up to that input you already had.

So both this Fourier-thingy as well as this thrust-vectoring presentation perfectly explains why perpetual motion can not work, and does not show a way out as implied.
We need something else.

We don't need someting else, we know how to add waves, we know how to create a resonance case, and the energy is coming from gravity itself.
The Besslerwheel is not a closed system, gravity is also acting in the wheel.

The example with the air plane standing 1 meter above explains you that we have an energy equivalent from Gravity and consumed fuel.
The consumed fuel is time depending, as long as the air plane only keeps its position over ground.

[ME]

I wonder how you define energy.

In an all-encompassing gravitational field it is not gravity itself that drops, it is objects.


Your plane spews out burning fuel with a force equal to its weight so it keeps hovering in place.
It is really, really a cool trick.
Now all is going very well.
We can sit there all day.
Watching that dial.
Until fuel is gone.
Plane drops too.
Creates crater.

How's an example of finite fuel consumption any explanation for perpetual motion?
It just shows the actually need for it. Because how else do you keep this trick (and plane) up.

[agor95]

We need something else.

I agree members need to looks at the puzzle to find something new to give us an alternative view.

All the Best

[Fletcher]

If you have more than one fixed CoR/axle then STATIC TM's analysis can be misleading and has to be modified by use of trigonometry (math), which is a more complex calculation. Otherwise, Dynamically the wheel will be subject to the same constraints of motion as the 'one fixed axle' situation above.

As i said before one fix axle will never work. You need at least 2 different turning points in the wheel.

For those that recognize that external ramps are also second fixed Centers of Rotation.

http://www.lockhaven.edu/~dsimanek/muse ... rained.htm


Georg .. I am sure that internally within B's. wheels there are many pivot points which turned with the wheel.

However B's. wheels had only one externally seen central fixed CoR / axle supported by posts. And they worked, throwing into doubt your initial conclusion (bolded above) imo.

[Georg Künstler]

Hi Fletcher,
maybe my sentence above was misleading.

Of course we have a central pivot on which the main wheel turns.
You describe it as CoR.

What I like to express with my sentence is that the internal construction has no central axle as you see it. So you have a second CoR.

This second CoR is not bound on the first CoR.
It is not identical with the main CoR.
The axle of this second CoR can move freely, up,down, left, right.
Therefore the sentence, with a fix axle you cannot get a gain.

And of course, we have wandering pivot points.

[Tarsier79]

I don't think having or not having a fixed axle has any bearing on getting a gain, but I could be wrong... Feel free to prove me so.

It seems to me George that you are just arguing for your current favorite build.

[WaltzCee]

[quote="In a "now something completely different" post, WaltzCee"]Speaking of the Wuhan Red Death, l heard WHO is investigating the possibility of
reinfection. Evidently it's a distinct possibility and it can come back the 2nd time with a
vengeance. What an amazing weapon. Better than a nuke and much easier to get into a
country.

I think one of the horsemen of the apocalypse (the pale horse) has saddled up.

[/quote]
Well ME since it is Raj's thread and since it seems to be spinning down to
the keel point and also since he changed the subject with

. . .
YES, I'LL keep learning anything new of interest, till I DIE, like how to keep safe
from covid-19

Raj

I figured it was safe to follow that lead.

Hmm, it thought it was already determined that invivo anti-bodies had a half-life of a few weeks. Perhaps still checking to be sure.

Since we all know what the Corona-virus is capable of and how to hinder its kinetics I think it is now impatience, entitlement, ignorance and other self-excused insanity that form the main spread-factor.
Covid-19 is just like an indicator fluid to make that visible. It exists because it works.
I think it's 'haste' and other compensatory efforts for the first wave effect that could make the second wave very bad.

• On Friday, South Korea reported that 91 coronavirus patients being considered for discharge tested positive for the virus again.
  The director of the Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said the virus may have been "reactivated" rather than the patients being re-infected.
  It remains unclear why the patients tested positive after initially testing negative for COVID-19 — WHO announced Saturday that it would be investigating the reports.
  "As COVID-19 is a new disease, we need more epidemiological data to draw any conclusions," WHO told Reuters.

The only two who can relax and ride it out are the horseman and the horse. Just like the Corona virus itself, they bear no blame.
I know it is a bit sad but "horse with no blame" rhymes with "horse with no name".
Shouldn't that be a white horse?

Some think so.

Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male a year
old. You may take it from the sheep or from the goats,

how much more will the blood of Christ, who
through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify
our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.

The second carries a sword and rides a red horse and is the
creator of War.[2] The third is a food merchant riding upon a black horse,
symbolizing Famine.

I think maybe 3 of the 4 horseman have saddled up but perhaps aren't in
a full gallop yet.

[ME]

I dunno, Wikipedia informed me.
Talking about a red horse..
I just assume China mounted a powerful laser on their rover for their current mission-to-Mars.
Will probably try to shoot'n-fry Curiosity and the other left-over cars.
Who knows what NASA's upcoming Perseverance will have put in his claws.
Mars wars.

[WaltzCee]

Revelation 6:1-8 might be more informative.

I don't think there has ever been a nation as powerful as China combined with the will to
dominate the world ever. They're the 2nd largest economy, poised to supplant the USA. All I
know about communism is what I've read, yet their people are often destitute.

5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld,
and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.

6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three
measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that
sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there
was given unto him a great sword.

We are definitely in interesting times. I think the horses are figurative.

[ME]

We are definitely in interesting times.

We live in an age where we have the ability to explore our intelligence and have great scientific discoveries.
Many in the developed countries have all the ingredients to flourish and pass good intentions to others.
I find that interesting.

I think the horses are figurative.

Horses are the age-old quick delivery short message service, sometimes with secured protocols, ciphers and more. Like internet, but slower.
Now every town idiot with a Twitter account fiercely tries to instigate outrage -- for the likezz.

That horse of course is just the image of one's own intention that's boomeranging back.
I think that horse is called "but" and then senses entitlement.

[raj]

I have made a major change in my pendulums wheel concept.

There is no wheel3 nor pivot3 anymore. Now the eight pendulums are hooked like eight keys on very small free hanging keyring3, and connected by strings to rim of larger wheel1 as previously described.

Raj