Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel
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Re: Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel
That sounds promising Sam.
Maybe this time you will get us to see what it is you are seeing.
Don't be disheartened by the lack of interest.
Maybe this time you will get us to see what it is you are seeing.
Don't be disheartened by the lack of interest.
Re: Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel
Bonjour Sam,
Nous n'avons pas de manque d'intéret pour vos travaux, nous souhaitons plus d'explications.
C'est la période estival et les membres sont en vilégiature!
Hello Sam,
We have no lack of interest for your work, we want more explanations.
It’s summer and members are on vacation!
Nous n'avons pas de manque d'intéret pour vos travaux, nous souhaitons plus d'explications.
C'est la période estival et les membres sont en vilégiature!
Hello Sam,
We have no lack of interest for your work, we want more explanations.
It’s summer and members are on vacation!
La propriété, c'est le vol!
P.J. PROUDHON
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Re: Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel
Back from the desert 500 miles. I have mining claims in the California desert that needed work. Lets see where was I? Oh yes Robin hood, lack of interest, I know you are right it doesn't matter. SHADOW; what can I say that would help?
I suppose only a runner is meaning full-----------------------Sam
I suppose only a runner is meaning full-----------------------Sam
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Re: Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel
SHADOW, let me try this.
When one set of rollers shift forward the other set shifts backward. IOW, one shifts one way and the other shifts the other way, this can't be prevented. If each are the same length, the torque is the same in both directions, balanced and the wheel won't turn.
What to do? Easy; make one set long and one set short. Sense the long one has more leverage the wheel will rotate in that direction-------------------Sam
When one set of rollers shift forward the other set shifts backward. IOW, one shifts one way and the other shifts the other way, this can't be prevented. If each are the same length, the torque is the same in both directions, balanced and the wheel won't turn.
What to do? Easy; make one set long and one set short. Sense the long one has more leverage the wheel will rotate in that direction-------------------Sam
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Re: Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel
I guess it's just too difficult............ too difficult to comprehend------------------Sam
Re: Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel
Sam i see your point but in order to work in both directions these have to swop positions for this to work in the opposite arrangement i am sure you have seen this being a highly skilled worker and communicator ,how do you do this and where ? sorry not really been following your blog my fault just curious as to your explanation all the best Andy
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Re: Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel
andyblues,
You asked a very good question. I don't think you would have to do any thing, just flip in the direction you want it to go. Maybe it would rotate either way,; I'm not sure. Funny, I hadn't thought about that, how to reverse it---------------Sam
You asked a very good question. I don't think you would have to do any thing, just flip in the direction you want it to go. Maybe it would rotate either way,; I'm not sure. Funny, I hadn't thought about that, how to reverse it---------------Sam
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Re: Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel
I think that's right, the rollers just roll out ward, they wouldn't know the difference, they wouldn't, know which way the wheel is turning. They wouldn't know if they were out to the left or out to the right.
So just pick the direction that you like and give it a flip----------------Sam
So just pick the direction that you like and give it a flip----------------Sam
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Re: Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel
Still not right, have to back up and do it over---------------------Sam
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..........seams like the phase shift should have worked--------------Sam
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Re: Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel
A recap;
To reiterate, The idea is; a short cross-bar is used to displace a long cross-bar,(both with rollers), to the right for CW rotation. A split throw,(double throw crank shaft), in the center shifts one C-B one way and the other one the other way. The pins of the crank are inserted into the center of each bar. The throw or pins are separated by about 60 degrees. I. E., there phase is shifted by some 60 degrees.
To reverse the rotation of the wheel, the two pins have to swap places, one to the right one to the left. The force is the same in both directions. However, the longer bar has more leverage therefore, the wheel should rotate in that direction. Anyway that's what is supposed to happen------------------Sam
To reiterate, The idea is; a short cross-bar is used to displace a long cross-bar,(both with rollers), to the right for CW rotation. A split throw,(double throw crank shaft), in the center shifts one C-B one way and the other one the other way. The pins of the crank are inserted into the center of each bar. The throw or pins are separated by about 60 degrees. I. E., there phase is shifted by some 60 degrees.
To reverse the rotation of the wheel, the two pins have to swap places, one to the right one to the left. The force is the same in both directions. However, the longer bar has more leverage therefore, the wheel should rotate in that direction. Anyway that's what is supposed to happen------------------Sam
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Re: Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel
Update,
Mechanically everything is working good except, the wheel still doesn't turn. Best I can tell, the long cross-bar or set of rollers, has to be longer to increase the difference in torque. I will extend them out farther to see if that will help-----------Sam
Mechanically everything is working good except, the wheel still doesn't turn. Best I can tell, the long cross-bar or set of rollers, has to be longer to increase the difference in torque. I will extend them out farther to see if that will help-----------Sam
Re: Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel
Bonjour Sam,
Est ce que ca resemble à la pièce jointe?
Hello Sam,
Does this resemble the attachment?
Est ce que ca resemble à la pièce jointe?
Hello Sam,
Does this resemble the attachment?
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Re: Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel
Hi SHADOW,
To understand my new Idea, please go back to page 110, Dec. 26, for a drawing that Fletcher made of it. The blue vertical cross-bar and it's rollers become very short. The green horizontal bar and it's rollers become much longer, maybe three times longer. This is so that the long green bar would have more leverage to turn the wheel.
The crank shaft in the center with it's two crank pins for shifting the cross-bars, seams to be working really good as far as I know. The green bar and it's rollers get shifted to the right for CW rotation. The blue bar and it's rollers do the work of shifting the green one.
I regret that I'm too stupid to make a drawing of it, thanks for helping me-----------------------Sam
ETA If, if it worked torque would be continuous, no resetting.
To understand my new Idea, please go back to page 110, Dec. 26, for a drawing that Fletcher made of it. The blue vertical cross-bar and it's rollers become very short. The green horizontal bar and it's rollers become much longer, maybe three times longer. This is so that the long green bar would have more leverage to turn the wheel.
The crank shaft in the center with it's two crank pins for shifting the cross-bars, seams to be working really good as far as I know. The green bar and it's rollers get shifted to the right for CW rotation. The blue bar and it's rollers do the work of shifting the green one.
I regret that I'm too stupid to make a drawing of it, thanks for helping me-----------------------Sam
ETA If, if it worked torque would be continuous, no resetting.
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Re: Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel
Sam
Le vilbrequin est il au centre de la roue?
Comment est il connecté aux barres?
Les Barres sont elles à 90°entre elles?
Is the vilbrequin in the center of the wheel?
How is it connected to the bars?
Are the bars 90° apart?
Le vilbrequin est il au centre de la roue?
Comment est il connecté aux barres?
Les Barres sont elles à 90°entre elles?
Is the vilbrequin in the center of the wheel?
How is it connected to the bars?
Are the bars 90° apart?
La propriété, c'est le vol!
P.J. PROUDHON
P.J. PROUDHON