Weight question

[ovyyus]

Wheeler, Georg has already made his excuse for not posting photo's and clips of his so called 'working wheel' - he says he fears for his life. But this just doesn't add up does it. Anyone who's that afraid wouldn't set up a website and continually post drawings and claims on forums of a working wheel, would they? - duh!

I think Georg has issues with his present inability to prove his ideas with a demonstration that actually works. Don't we all. The difference is that Georg is continually making unsubstantiated claims of success. Anyone who does that is sure to attract attention and lots of questions. Again, not the sort of thing someone who fears for their life does, eh? More like the sort of thing someone who craves attention does. Maybe he's broadcasting his ideas in the hope that someone else can step in and make it work for him? Your guess is as good as mine, who knows what's going on with this - but for sure something is not quite right with Georg.

What question did I ask several topics ago?

[Wheeler]

Yes something seems slightly off.
No one to my knowledge is claiming this.
He spends many hours writing and reading the topics, then he puts up a mystery drawing that can not be understood. Gives no idea by any arrows,the direction of flow, but yet can post high Tech. photos of machining he has done.

Anyway this was the post that I thought you had asked me a question, but it was more of a statement.

Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 10:46 pm Post subject: re: It Would Be More Noble To Clear J. Bessler's Name, than Reply with quote View IP address of poster

I wrote;

PPM is not something man can make, it exists in nature. It is a gift of god or the universe of knowledge.
We actually know how to do it already, but for some reason we have not.

You said.

Pure speculation! There is no evidence that PM exists in nature, otherwise we would have something to copy. Offer some evidence of PM in Nature, that doesn't involve solar power.

end of quote

From my experience I do not believe that in a word Perpetual Motion is something. I said it exists in nature. I do not know if we consider the sun and earth systems as Perpetual. It seems to continue.
I have found ways that gravity is being used in nature.
If gravity can bring things down to the earth, by reverse math, something can go up.
All my tests have always had a source of energy.
I don't want to get into this on someones topic.

George are we your tinker toy?

[ovyyus]

Wheeler, yes it was a statement of my own observations followed by a request for more information. Perhaps if you come up with some example of PM in Nature, or anywhere else for that matter, it can be discussed under a new topic.

[unstable]

HI, I have seen last Georg design but I don't understand its working principle. Georg please, can you little explain it by arrow or simple word ? (its hard for me understand it) thanks...

Wheeler, if I correctly understand you doubt my real existence. You think me and Georg are the same person ?? If I not correctly understand.. sorry. I am new on this forum and I have serius problem to translate english (read and write...particularly write)... I think this: If two people have similar ideas maybe this ideas is important or its a pure coincidence. I like Georg theory but I understand only little bit of this. I think good his resonance theory...but for now its hard for me apply this theory on my design. If we collaborate and share our ideas .. (brain join) we can discover Bessler secret (if there is one).

Claudio

[unstable]

ME, Ken, Ralph and ALL others, please give me your comment about Bes_a3.gif picture. Is possible work with this solution ?? energy = 0 or may work ? please comment it ... thanks,

Claudio

[ME]

1. The balls on wheel A are in balance, so wheel A should not rotate
2. The levers on wheel B are in balance, so wheel B should not rotate
3. When the balls from wheel A (by some mechanical construction) move to wheel B (or even is sharing the weight), then wheel B shall rotate CW; but...
because weight is lifted on the right side of wheel A, this wheel will start to rotate CCW

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Also the lever-factor of B is less then the lever factor of A

[ken_behrendt]

Claudio...

I tried making a WM2D model of the design you showed in the Bes_a3.gif, but I was not successful. I could not get the smaller internal wheel with the spokes to climb up the inside wall of the larger wheel.

That, of course, does not mean that the design would not work, just that my rendition of it may not be good enough.

The problem I see with this design is that the smaller spoked wheel must stay in contact with the inside surface of the larger wheel, yet the smaller wheel must have some support at its axle to keep it in position. I tried suspending the smaller wheel by rope attached to its axle so that it would swing up against the right inside surface of the larger wheel, but this did not seem to help.

The attachment below shows the best I was able to make.

ken

[unstable]

Thanks for your comments.

ME ...maybe I am wrong but I see this in my design:

1) wheel B weight break wheel A balance (wheel B are "floating" a part its connection to right side of wheel A by gear)

2) Wheel B must have balls (weights) on its lever to create unbalance

3) Balls weights on wheel B lever still present on right side of wheel A because of gear interconnection

I think the problem is a different speed between lever (wheel B) and wheel A. Is this correct ?


Ken, hard to simulate this one on WM2D :) The problem you speak about its true. But if wheel B stay in position like in your simulation image wheel B do not drop. An other solution is to use smaller wheel and use wheel A fulcrum to prevent drop... like in this picture attachment.

Claudio

[ME]

In short: Wheel B is your leverage extension kit?

I think the inner and outer gearing lock eachother

I'll try to make an animation

[unstable]

ME, this method is the only way I know to cause permanent unbalance to wheel A. Yes you can see this even a lever extension kit (by wheel B), but my target is to keep wheel B on the right side of wheel A to cause unbalance. Maybe if we change the speed ratio between levers and wheel B ...but I don't know.

Claudio

[rlortie]

ME, Ken, Ralph and ALL others, please give me your comment about Bes_a3.gif picture. Is possible work with this solution ?? energy = 0 or may work ? please comment it ... thanks,

Claudio

Claudio,

Yes, I do believe your Bes_a3.gif has merit with a few alterations. I believe that I hold the answer you are seeking in one of my own designs. I can show you how to make your transference from wheel B to A without gears ropes or complicated transference.

Due to my confidential oath while working with others, I am limited to what I can say here on the forum. The approach I offer is mine but encroaches closely on ideas I have promised to keep confidential.

Please write me at rlortie@my180.net so that I may gain your private address and I believe I can help you to research your concept. It will involve a stationary axle with two half axles encompassing it,

Ralph

[unstable]

In short .... what I trying to do is to keep wheel A and wheel B in rotation by
wheel B weight (no balls weights) that act on the right side of wheel A. I believe weights (balls) loop necessary to give some dynamics at the system (if we use a chain probably don't work) but I am not shure of this. If is possible to keep wheel B on right side of wheel A when in rotation, we obtain an "always unbalanced system".

Claudio

[ME]

Sounds interesting Ralph...

But, Claudio, I don't think that will work. I think you mean that Wheel A is a flywheel, and when the balls stay is a static position (not jumping to B) then there is no motion...

-In the meanwhile I'm creating a monster of an animatied machinery-

[unstable]

ME Yes, probably this don't work... no drop ..no kinetics energy to the system.... but than I ask to me: how can self start version of Bessler wheel work ? its a joke ?

[ME]

Maybe this?