The Bessler Curse

[Wheeler]

Well like they tell me, If you don't save the world with your ppm junk, you can always fall back on your ceramics'-'

[Wheeler]

So your plaster paris mold is used to make the product?
How do you make the plaster of paris mold? Do you build it up around a form or styrofoam?
What is the mixture of Plumbers putty and oil?
or are you using a similar putty like Plumbers putty?

[AgingYoung]

Wheeler,

Yea, maybe I can do some remington knockoffs. It's plumber's putty. I'm making clay forms and pouring the plaster paris around it. The clay pulls off rather easily.

What you do is once you make the plaster paris mold you line it with some olive oil then press the putty into it. The oil (could be wd40, clear shoe polish, etc) keeps the putty from sticking to the mold. If you're using metal molds you can get a real exact copy (more pressure). If you try that with plaster paris you'll break the mold. :)

A. Gene Young

Ken,

I have a friend in florida (fort myers) that makes and repairs jewelry. He uses a centrifuge to sling the gold/silver into the mold. The centrifuge holds the mold and has a crucible on it.

[ken_behrendt]

Wheeler...

I was once interested in making my own jewelry and read about something called the "Lost Wax Method". Basically, one makes a wax model of a jewelry piece such as a ring. This model is then immersed in a can containing unset plaster of Paris. The plaster hardens and the can in then put into an electric over that heats the plaster up to over a 1000 &#176F. This completely evaporates the wax from the plaster mold. Next, one uses a special crucible to melt a precious metal such as gold. Once it fuses, it is poured into the still hot plaster mold and everything is allowed to cool down to room temperature. Finally, the plaster mold is cracked away and a perfect duplicate of the wax model in the precious metal is produced. This is then filed and polished to make the finished piece.


ken

[Wheeler]

Well Guys
Sound very interesting and I wish I had time to take a crack at it. pun intended.
I am not sure I want to start a new thing right now.
I am suppose to be working on finishing the wood stove boiler system I made that is in series with my oil hot water baseboard system.
I can not find where smoke is escaping into the house, so I am removing the blocks I placed around it for a heat sink (which works very well, keeps water hot for 24 hrs or more)and going to see if I can find a leek around the ceramic wool between the wood stove top and the 350 lb boiler I sat on top.
So I better get down there.

[AgingYoung]

Happy hunting, Wheeler.

The parts I cast last night have a difference of 0.01239 ounce from the middle ones to the light and heavy ones. I don't think I'll do any sanding on them to get them exactly matched. I will place them as well as I can to balance the wheel.

A. Gene Young

ps: that difference is plus/minus about 10% but I'm going with it. I'd be a horrible watchmaker's boy. I should have better tools; not the homemade ones I have.

[AgingYoung]

Hello Fellow Cranks,

I had a very detailed post yet I deleted it. I intended to explain my thoughts that caused me to pursue my current design yet I changed my mind. As I read over the post I thought that there were some real gems in the ideas and worth further consideration. I'll keep them to myself. I will say this; the design I was working on has changed so drastically that it can't be considered the original idea. I failed. I mentioned that if I were to fail that I'd 'say as much.' I'm saying so.

For some reason I feel compelled to use technology available 300 years ago to make a wheel that I believe is beyond Bessler. I have my reasons. I intend to continue to look at a wheel with that perspective for maybe another year. While I'm considering ancient technology over the course of the next year I'll be concurrently thinking about what could be done with the principle I see in light of current technology. If I were you and I had a viable idea I'd light a fire under my ass and get it moving. Consider yourself warned.

A. Gene Young

ps: How do you like me now?

[Jonathan]

>ps: How do you like me now?<
A little better. :J

[ken_behrendt]

Gene wrote:

For some reason I feel compelled to use technology available 300 years ago to make a wheel that I believe is beyond Bessler.

I, too, am trying to duplicate Bessler's wheels using the same level of technology that he would have had available to him in the early 18th century. I'm doing this because I feel that it will give me a duplication as close to his actual design as possible. Yes, I'm sure that many improvements in Bessler's wheels can be made with modern materials and technology, but I leave that to others to pursue. In a sense, I see myself as a forensic technological archaeologist. Using available clues from the Bessler era, I must unravel the secret of his wheels.

Anyone can just use modern technology to build an overbalanced wheel and have, say, a solar powered wheel that used electromagnets to shift its drive weights away from the axle and then back again on the wheel's descending side. The timing of the shifts would be optically sensed and controlled to allow the wheel to achieve far higher power outputs than was possible for Bessler's inventions. Of course, these would not be what Bessler did and they would not be OU/PM by any stretch of the imagination.


ken

[murilo]

Boys...
Here are the words of the Master...
Another opinion about us is very important for a self evaluation.
I'll leave this group now, since I got these enlighten and top scientific thinkings.
I could know before I was this way... :[
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Responder para: erickrieg@verizon.net
Enviado: quinta-feira, 15 de dezembro de 2005 15:43:25
Para: waynegage2000 <waynegage@msn.com>, free_energy@yahoogroups.com
Assunto: Re: [free_energy] Re: Minato Motor

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Yeah,
it really is strange, but there are all these little FE communities feeding on
gossip about scores of different FE claimants. I've known of groups to discuss
replication of tesla-turbines, Newman motors, Mott, Kipper motor, Bearden
nonsense, Teskita, etc. The strangest one I ever saw was a group trying to
replicate the 14th century Orryfuss over balanced wheel design. Centuries of
solid failure will not dissuade these people. The inventor rarely troubles
himself with little details . . . like why no one else can replicate. There is
a degree of member cross pollenation from one chimera cult to another. strange
stuff.
I was unable to find any evidence of new action for Minato - he got a bunch
of free press in 2004 and has offered nothing in the way of real proof - the guy
had been tinkering at least a decade or 2 before that.

In other news, Jack Carey tells me he will soon (been stretching it out for
months now) demo a big SUV getting around 30 mpg. Jack also wants to drive
Bill Gates out of business.

eric


>From: waynegage2000

[Patrick]

Hello Murilo;
Are you so easily discouraged? Do you consider Eric Krieg to be a master?

The strangest one I ever saw was a group trying to
replicate the 14th century Orryfuss over balanced wheel design

He writes this because he is afraid; afraid that this particular group may be seeking something that is attainable; something that he himself wishes he could find but does not have the courage to attempt. Send me a private email message and I will send you hard evidence that will change your mind about Bessler/Orffyre. The solution is staring us in the face.
--Patrick

[jim_mich]

Patrick,

May I ask what "hard evidence" you are talking about?

[Wheeler]

Patrick is correct, but I doubt he would want to post his findings on the web.
The whole thing has always been in front of us.
We have just overlooked it.

[ken_behrendt]

Murilo...

It is strange that the person you quote thinks Bessler worked in the 14th century! He must have confused Bessler with some earlier "mobilist" or PM seeker.

I think it is all too easy to dismiss the issue of OU/PM by putting Bessler in the same catagory as all other "seekers". Bessler's wheels were able to withstand fairly rigorous testing for his day and passed with flying colors. I am not aware of any other devices that can make the same claim.

And, just because no one other than Bessler managed to achieve a working gravity wheel, does not mean that Bessler was a fraud or that the feat is impossible. It only means that the mechanism that does it is rather unique. So unique, indeed, that I find myself slowly being forced to the conclusion that there really is only one way of doing it...and Bessler was that one talented and persistent guy in tens of thousands who was lucky enough to find it.

I believe that there will shortly be some very profound revelations in store for the members of this Discussion Board that will, finally, bring us the solution we all so eagerly seek...


ken

[murilo]

Guys,
you really don't know me! :D
I was just sarcastic. d;
Besides the impossible mental fantasy we dare to face, we have the right to this venture and fail a million times. We don't need comprehension.
It's like to try and involve an impossible woman...
Erick is not that stupid. He was also provocking. His group is wick... the skepticals wonn there.
Patrick, pls be kind: avalanchedrive@hotmail.com Thanks!
Regs. M.