What should someone do with a solution?

[Dwylbtzle]

The Speed Of Gravity – Why Einstein Was Wrong


May 14, 2010
By michaelsuede



Physicist Tom Van Flandern lays down the law… Newton’s law

The Speed of Gravity What the Experiments Say

Van Flandern T. ,Physics Letters A, Vol. 250:1-11 (1998)

Abstract.


Standard experimental techniques exist to determine the propagation speed of forces. When we apply these techniques to gravity, they all yield propagation speeds too great to measure, substantially faster than lightspeed...

the guy who played bass guitar for iron butterfly was said to have--in his
post-band years, invented some communications device that could
deliver messages anywhere in the galaxy instantaneously

(which would be like what they depicted in STAR TREK:
they would be light years away from something
or some ship--or home base--back on earth
or traveling many "warp speeds" faster than light--yet they could call out
and send or receive messages from any of those places
remember that?)

and then he was found mysteriously murdered

i read about this in the early nineties
i suppose something about all this would probably be findable on google

i always thought the star trek thing was silly
till i heard about this guy

then i started thinking: IF gravity's effect is instantaneous--anywhere it can be detected
one could just use gravity--generated from mass that cold be modulated
by increasing or decreasing the mass in some wavelength producing way

and any receiver sensitive enough--anywhere in the universe--could be
reading it instantaneously

lemme do a google search on that guy

[Jim Williams]

First speed of gravity measurement revealed
20:30 07 January 2003 by Hazel Muir


The speed of gravity has been measured for the first time. The landmark experiment shows that it travels at the speed of light, meaning that Einstein's general theory of relativity has passed another test with flying colours.

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Berkeley Lab Physicist Challenges Speed of Gravity Claim


BERKELEY, CA � Albert Einstein may have been right that gravity travels at the same speed as light but, contrary to a claim made earlier this year, the theory has not yet been proven. A scientist at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) says the announcement by two scientists, widely reported this past January, about the speed of gravity was wrong.

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What is the Speed of Gravity?

...So, in theory, we know that the speed of gravity should be the same as the speed of light. But the Sun’s force of gravity out here, by us, is far too weak to measure this effect. In fact, it gets really hard to measure, because if something moves at a constant velocity in a constant gravitational field, there’s no observable affect at all. What we’d want, ideally, is a system that has an object moving with a changing velocity through a changing gravitational field. What would that take?

Something intense, like two neutron stars orbiting each other extremely close together! Occasionally, we get very lucky, and a neutron star emits very regular blips of light, pulsing with incredible precision: this makes it a pulsar! If one of these neutron stars is a pulsar aimed at us, we can test whether gravity moves at the speed of light or not!

Incredibly enough, we’ve discovered multiple independent binary pulsars with this exact configuration!

Not only is the gravitational source (star #1) moving, but the other object (star #2) is changing its velocity, as it changes its direction in orbit around the gravitational source! Remarkably, this effect causes the orbit to ever-so-slowly decay, which leads to time changes in the pulses!

The predictions from Einstein’s theory of gravity are incredibly sensitive to the speed of light, so much so that even from the first binary pulsar system, PSR 1913+16 (or the Hulse-Taylor binary), we have constrained the speed of gravity to be equal to the speed of light with an error of less than 1%!

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The Speed Of Gravity – Why Einstein Was Wrong


May 14, 2010
By michaelsuede



Physicist Tom Van Flandern lays down the law… Newton’s law

The Speed of Gravity What the Experiments Say

Van Flandern T. ,Physics Letters A, Vol. 250:1-11 (1998)

Abstract.


Standard experimental techniques exist to determine the propagation speed of forces. When we apply these techniques to gravity, they all yield propagation speeds too great to measure, substantially faster than lightspeed...

I was pointing science doesn't always agree about everything. Is it so necessary to take over a thread?

[Dwylbtzle]

oh yes--i got that
that just reminded me of the iron butterfly guy
and that reminded me of how he was murdered after he discovered something
which relates to this thread


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sour ... TwvdneBcfY

here ya go: I KNEW that memory of mine was probably one from that era
that WASN'T a hallucination:

i guess he wasn't the original bass player--in fact, there ended up being
so many different bass players that, at one time, people began wearing
tee-shirts saying "I played bass for the Iron Butterfly"

(i also did play bass for them for a while, there)

anyway--he invented this instantaneous communications device--and i
don't know how it worked--but then he was murdered

but you see how this COULD work?
theoretically someone could just smash a coupla heavy rocks together in
a morse code patern--and if you had a gravity detector sensitive enough
and IF the effect of gravity is instantaneous
it cold be read anywhere
with no waiting

just as someone close by could listen and write down the sound wave
pattern and read the morse code
someone far away could "hear" the gravity variations

because when the rocks clanged together there would be a concentration
of mass in that one tiny spot--then there would be no concentration there
then it would appear again

of course that's just the simplest, silliest example i could think of to illustrate it
maybe one could send waves through mercury
and then you could transmit something that could be converted (on the
other end) into sound or music--or maybe with the right mass-modulation
transmitter...
you could even transmit pictures and video with sound
maybe even holograms

but as with the gravity wheel
maybe you could get murdered over even THIS
or it could be otherwise repressed
threat to national security?
economically significant?

just another cautionary example
it WAS widely speculated that this guy was killed because of an invention
sorry if it took a few paragraphs to get to the point

[Dwylbtzle]

i had to do that google search jump because, it seems, i remember first
reading about that guy's mysterious death 21 years ago, this fall
and i was fuzzy on the details of his demise--and of his invention,
because it was so long ago
(whether it had said HE was thinking of gravity as the
transmitter--or if I had thought about that--because i always HAVE
wondered if gravity is detectable instantaneously
or takes time for the effect to "get" somewhere)

it says his idea worked on quantum mathematics--and maybe allowed
matter to travel faster than light

but one thing for sure---him possibly being murdered for an invention
always hovered there in the back of my mind
his wife says there is no way he committed suicide
i remember reading that back then

[Jim Williams]

Although Ken no longer exists, it's still unfair to use his thread for other purposes. You are off-topic and the subject is off-topic too.

[Dwylbtzle]

yes i indeed see that ken is gone (but possibly still exists)
and i also see that the title of the thread is: what to do with a solution
and in this whole thread we've been discussing how one might not want to blab
because one's idea might be repressed or stolen
or one might be even POSSIBLY murdered
and people have poo pooed the notion
so i have been citing examples
the above post was one (quite on topic, i believe) example

the memory of which was prompted by yer exposition on the "speed" of gravity

i also see you , more than once, asking for details of my two inventions

what topic would that be?

[Jim Williams]

I keep forgetting. No, I mean I really can't remember; but does gravity travel at the speed of light?

Other than that I'm somewhat envious of patent examiners right now who could say; that all sounds well and good, but do you have a working model? I don't rejected what you are saying, but neither can I see it.

I was attempting to call you back to your own invention, that is correct. But I wasn't asking you to actually reveal it, I was being envious of patent examiners, who could ask.

The point I was avoiding to raise was why didn't you just start a new off-topic? I did so years ago on whether DNA existed on all life planets as a universal constant. Trying to disuade you earlier with the question about gravity speed was wrong. But it allow me to focus again.

[Dwylbtzle]

wartever, dude:

dwylbtzle:



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You've drifted a bit from how gravity needs to always be pulling down.
Perhaps you could elaborate on how you have acheived this solution and
what to do with it?

i submit that you keep saying the topic is something other than the topic of this thread
and that stuff i just posted about the inventor being murdered is eminently on topic
wait...
do you think the topic is what money making things one could do with it
or do you think the topic is how to reveal it safely?

maybe that's our communications mix up

i thought it was obvious you would generate electricity with it
that's what yude DO with it

but i was thinking the topic meant what the hell do you do once you figure out HOW to make a gravity wheel
without getting killed or ripped off
or put in jail
etc
etc
etc

[Dwylbtzle]

no i think i'm the one who's correct:
the very first two posts:

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What should someone do once they have the solution?

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Give it freely to the world.

But making sure to get recognition as the inventor.

This is what I would do.

Raj

[Dwylbtzle]

can we still be friends?

i think this was all just a misunderstanding of terms

[Jim Williams]

Being murdered for what one does with a solution I'd say is on topic. Instantaneous commuication is not; has nothing to do with the subject at all. But you didn't give it as an example of that murder, but as a suppostion. Just doesn't work with me. I'd suggest again it's a new off-topic subject.

[Dwylbtzle]

the topic is people being murdered for their invention
as i see it
i explained about a guy who may have been murdered for an invention
so i described the invention
which would explain how it coulda been important enough to be murdered for

this subject of whether i'm on topic or not is off topic

shall we drop it?

get bck on topic?
(whichever one
if you wanna say the topic is functionality of electricity generation
then fine
that can be the topic TOO)

but my stuff here was ALL on topic

[Jim Williams]

yep

[Dwylbtzle]

here, jimbo, buddy:
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... 2&start=30


http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... p?p=101419

here are some more explanations on how you just need gravity always
pushing (or pulling) down and you can tap it without replenishing
anything or bringing anything back around
if you guess how to do it and don't get killed before you make a lot of money
buy me a volkswagon van or something
thanks
(then i can at least live in it and keep one step ahead of the aliminum naughties)