Hey Bill,
waiting for your wheel, maybe it is better than mine
Georg, where is your wheel? I don't see it. I do see a bunch of theories and drawings and some fabricated bits and pieces, but I don't see your working wheel. Oh, do you mean that contraption-rolling-across-the-floor video? If that's your idea of a working wheel then my stupid tyre rim is at least more efficient.
Funny that you should choose to post a video of your contraption rolling across the floor instead of simply mounting it on its axle and showing a demonstration of it accelerating up to speed from a light push start. What's the problem with that Georg? Is the World still not ready yet or do you always make a habit of claiming success before you have actually achieved it.
Don't blame me because you can't demonstrate the workability of your own ideas.
winkle wrote:i think in a way most of us don't really want to see the hunt come to an end............after so many years of diddleing with this.......what else could be as interesting
The hunt for solutions to other "impossibilities".
Why are you people being so hostile towards georg. even if his idea doesnt work, hes still making more progress then all the rest of you put together. The video wasnt even intended to show an accelerating wheel, it was intended to show the "walking" motion of the innerwheel. Your failure to realize that simple fact puts a serious damper on the credability of any statment you make. I think that video was good. The wheel displayed behavior similar to that of my wm2d simulation. I think that the pegs make its much better than a smooth inner wheel, as the weights arnt allowed to roll. If you would also notice, the innerwheel gets a rotational kick which im guessing is due to the wheels trying to roll up the back side of the wheel (if you remember they have weights on one side of the wheel. If you would actualy take the time to watch the video and look at what the wheel is doing, you might learn somthing.
Thanks for posting the video georg. Im glad to see that you are progressing forward with your idea.
If you would actualy take the time to watch the video and look at what the wheel is doing, you might learn somthing.
Shawn, you're assuming that I discount Georg's idea lightly - wrong! You've been involved in this forum for 2 weeks now and you've made all of 3 posts. You might like to take the time to do a little research and go back over the last couple of years of history (not to mention private emails that you have no idea about) and then come back and tell me specifically what it is that I need to learn about this.
You appear to be making a bunch of uneducated assumptions eg: I'm stupid; Georg has a working wheel. Do some research.
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Progress is an arbitrary term in this context. No one has made "progress" until a principle is found.
It could have something to do with the fact that for 2 years now Georg has claimed to have a working wheel. He says he doesn't want to be the "front runner" as he thinks that is dangerous therefore we should build his wheel instead of him displaying it in all its glory, to take the heat off him. Trouble is he only posts bits & pieces of the mech & never a full video of the purportedly working device.
Epi (an enthusiastic supporter of Georg's) was to be his "knight in shining armour" but a strange thing happened when ovyyus suggested that it would be cheaper for Epi to fly to Germany to view the wheel b4 he started his duplication efforts with a university, otherwise he risked unnecessary mistakes in the construction process & possible lack of credibility with his funding sources if there was a big unwanted surprise at the end of it all.
The jury's not out so much as died of boredom. Georg could rectify this "erroneous" perception very easily but chooses not to so I guess that leaves blind faith as the only option.
From the posts of those that were able to view Georg's "Walker" avi clip of his wheel, I have the impression that it is supposed to roll on a flat surface and is then accelerated by the rolling action of the second smaller wheel inside of it with those wedge section weights on it.
Someone claimed earlier that this might be the secret of Bessler's two-directional wheels. If so, then that would seem to imply that Bessler's large two-directional wheels had a smaller wheel with the wedge weights inside of it that was kind of rolling around at the bottom of the drum as the larger wheel turned!
However, how could this possibly be the secret of Bessler's wheels which were supposed to be powered by weighted levers? Georg's design does not have any levers in it.
ken
On 7/6/06, I found, in any overbalanced gravity wheel with rotation rate, ω, axle to CG distance d, and CG dip angle φ, the average vertical velocity of its drive weights is downward and given by:
ken_behrendt wrote:
However, how could this possibly be the secret of Bessler's wheels which were supposed to be powered by weighted levers? Georg's design does not have any levers in it.
ken
The principle could be tha same even though the same mechanism was not used. The video clip did not show acceleration. The assembly was rolled on the floor with a hand pushand and videoed from the side so that the motion of the inner assembly could be seen.
I've downloaded the video, and it does show what it was supposed to show. It was not intended to show that it really works though (Georg says now that it was missing pieces, so we can be sure), so I have to agree with others that Jeff is mistaken.
Yes it is Wheeler. On the left, under the third heading from the top (they all say "Die Idee:"), is a link, "Walker".
As for the paint stuff many posts back, I have something to add. When using the ellipse tool, there is a reading at the lower right of "axb", where a and b are your x and y displacements, respectively, from the point you started the ellipse from. If a=b, you have a perfect circle.
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My computer crashed again, forth time since January. So have had some time catching up. I am now on a relatives computer and just read through 87 new posts that I was behind on.
The only thing I get on my PC is a DOS message saying " Disc error press ctrl alt delete to continue. all that does is reboot and it says the same thing again.
Thanks to all who passed on the pointers about using "paint" and then changing file applications or formats what ever its called. I went price shopping for a digital camera and found one that I think will fill my needs at WalMart. But now I need a computer to download it on.
Bill your rolling rim across your garage floor is pretty impressive, I do not know what the building codes are in your area, but here a garage floor must slope front to door 1/8" per foot. That gives me 2-1/2" in twenty feet. My rim accelerates pretty good. On the other hand its a little rough pushing a dead 1995 Ford Crown victoria back in.
There's a much easier way to create a perfect circle in paint and that is to hold down the SHIFT key while dragging with the elipse tool. Most graphics packages have this feature to fix the proportions while dragging. This should hopefully save you a bit of time.
Thanks for the tip Jonathan, I found that I had to use view full page, in order to see the links at the bottom of the page.
Has anyone noticed how many flaws and and misleadings are included in the video?
George is able to photograph and attach the highest technology on his images posted of the current cylinder designs on the forum, but is unable to make a clear video of his walker.
He has used precession top quality photos and machine work in posts, but uses blur, off timing of sound, and image light scatter settings. Sound not only begins before the wheel is pushed, but he adds the special effects of room echo, this is a common technology for sound confusion in video recordings. No reference lines on wall or size reference is used.
This is not to say he has not found the secret, it is the correct way one would put information out if you wanted it known, but without giving details
Again he has even been a master at keeping the secret while becoming known.
Thanks for the tip on how to draw a perfect circle with Paint. I tried it a few minutes ago and it looks nice...I notice that when done with the rectangle tool, it makes a perfect square too.
ken
On 7/6/06, I found, in any overbalanced gravity wheel with rotation rate, ω, axle to CG distance d, and CG dip angle φ, the average vertical velocity of its drive weights is downward and given by:
And with the line tool it makes the lines only at 45 degree intervals. Why have you kept such secrets!?!?!
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