Georg Künstler's Ideas...

[Stewart]

Why have you kept such secrets!?!?!

Sorry, but I've only just been given permission by Microsoft to release that particular official secret. Just you wait until next year, there's some amazing info that will blow your mind!

[Georg Künstler]

Some asked me

Bessler used moveabel levers, and segmented cylinder version doesn't have those.

I used moveable levers in the first constructions. The levers can move through the axis. Shifting weight from left to right and reverse.

The easier construction is a disk with 8 holes, falling forward in the wheel. Both constructions are in function the same.

With different diameters you get different fall hights and impacts in the selfrunning wheel, you can easier adapt it to 'Eigenfrequenz'.

And for Bill: nothing buildt as always, you see.

the future has begun

Georg

[ovyyus]

And for Georg: nothing working as always, I see. How predictable.

Perhaps if you blame me for all your problems then everyone will not notice the fact that after 13 pages of rhetoric you still can not prove your own claims. Just another story teller, then?

[Georg Künstler]

The way to lift 4 pounds with one pound will be the following.

Having a 4 pound weight sitting on a lever and a rotating cylinder of 1 pound.

Start speed of the cylinder should be say 5 rounds per second.

While the cylinder is climbing up the ramp, it increases force on the left side. The left side can also be a curved board.

As faster the cylinder is climbing, as more force(pressure is produced) on the left side. It is not the weight of the cylinder, it is the speed of rolling up which makes it heavy.

The weight left is a function of speed !!

the future has begun

Georg

[epistemologicide]

PURE ARTISt :D

[underdog]

George.

In 19.04.2002 ,at Dr. Evert (http://www.evert.de/eft732e.htm )site you had the man all exited


“Swinging while turning
It´s brilliant merit of Georg Künstler - that´s name of ´artist´ above (German ´Künstler´ means artist) - to recognize, Bessler-Wheel by itself didn´t turn steady, but while turning was moving ahead and back, thus running faster and slower. It´s astonishing, contemporary observers of historic Bessler-Wheel didn´t registrate this kind of movements. However, as animation above shows, by naked eyes it´s hard to see differences of speed at turning wheel.”

DR. EVERT THEN WENT ON BREAKING THE CONCEPT IN FAR SUPERIOR ILLUSTRATIONS AND ANIMATIONS!
I am attaching couple of them for better comprehension, of what we are talking (the full details can be seen at site given above)
Now I wonder what happen to this concept?...
In tree years, you were not able to construct working model (or pay somebody to do it for you)?...
Or perhaps you found out that is not working in “real life”…

So after that you come with another plausible concept of “segmented spring weights”.
Inclusive you have machine shop them, proudly displaying numerous pictures of them, at forum!?...
So what happen to those?....
Now once more you are throwing at forum the old illustrations incorporating them in brand new theory of lifting weights ,using hits, in some mysterious way ,that only you MAY HAVE NOTIONS HOW IT COULD PRACTICALLY BE APPLIED ON SOME KIND OF WORKING WHEEL! ???....
DO YOU REALLY!!?????..........
I FRANKLY DOUBT IT , VERY MUCH,GEORGE!...
NOT EVEN IF YOUR LIFE IS TREATEN ,COULD YOU PRODUCE A SIMPLE SKETCH OF A WORKING WHEEL , THAT INCORPORATE ALL THE LOOSE SEGMENTS ,THAT YOU ARE SO “GENEROUSLY GIVING AWAY”!.....


Future repeats the past!..

[Georg Künstler]

To all,

I managed to construct the selfstarting, one directional version now. The bidirectional wheel was shown August last year(and no one did believe, with exception of Vb's). So my research is completed now. Again i like to say, that this device is a toy, against what is now technical possible.

Have a look to this simple device.

The inner mechanism is a rolling cylinder. On it's flat side in the middle a T-pendulum is connected.
The pendulum can freely swing. On one side of the pendulum a spring is used.

The outer wheel is constructed with 80 dowels(you had seen my wheel construction before under bw.com) and you can see that Bessler also used it.

Now we can arrange the force of the spring in that way, that the cylinder is rolling over a dowel upwards. Now the outer wheel is out of balance and begins to turn. Loading the spring, falling over again. Oscillation system with a touble force, overloaded, it is constant out of balance.

Hope you can detect this function. Dowels are absolutely necessary !!


the future has begun

Georg

[Wheeler]

George
Not sure on this now

[Wheeler]

Correct me if I am wrong.

Is this the path of uphill?

[Wheeler]

Maybe this is what you are saying?

[Shane]

Is this the Idea? - Shane

[rlortie]

Shane,

I do not know if that is the idea or not. I would just like to say that it is the most impressive and self explanatory thing I have seen on this 17 page thread.

Interesting approach, I wonder what the pendulum will do when its pivot point lays heavy to the right. The outer wheel would not only have to rotate the inner cylinder but pick up the pendulum as well. IMO this would wipe out any gain on the left side with the interaction of the spring.

as usual I am hoping to hear other opinions.

Ralph

[Fletcher]

Guys, FWIW.

Georg says that both the inner wheel (grindstone?) & outer wheel both turn CW.

My opinion is that the dowels do not rise & fall in a "wave pattern" around the rim but are on the same radius circle. The dowels are simplified gear teeth or horizontal pegs that the inner wheel must mount & then it falls into the trough space between 2 dowels (the nest) in order to provide traction & torque.

The pendulum spring appears to me to be either attached to a permanent anchor point separate of the wheel or alternatively a curved slotted joint which runs with the rim. If that were the case the attachment point could move up & down as the pendulum swings & is periodically caught & released at an appropriate time ?

I think the idea is that the spring is both compressed & extended. Perhaps in 'push' mode (compression) it provides the force to move the inner wheel CW & forward assisting gravity to roll the inner wheel down hill from left to right ? In the extension mode it provides the 'pull' to haul the outer wheel around CW & the inner wheel with it.

It also appears to have a secondary (or maybe it's the primary) function & deflects the pendulum from hanging vertical which somehow assists the inner wheel to roll forward & climb out of the nest & into the next available space.

Obviously the spring & pendulum are complimentary PE storage systems that are supposed to interact back & forth.

I can't literally imagine how this would "self start" let alone create a self amplifying oscillation that would cause the wheel to run until its parts wore out.

[Fletcher]

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[Georg Künstler]

The start energy is in the spring !! It is a 'Overloaded' system, a preload system. You can also say the spring is to long, or say, we start when the spring is compressed.

The T-pendulum is not acting as a pendulum, it is only there to apply the spring force horizontal(sideways up shift of the mass cylinder ). I will seperate the construction to several parts, so that anyone will understand the construction.(maybe this evening)

Fletcher did a good discription when seeing it oscillation, and going back and forth. The dowels acting like a bumping runway. Maybe you can compare it to modern ABS(Anti Blocking system).

the future has begun

Georg