The summary of my latest studies

[path_finder]

Dear AB Hammer,

Note the locations of the fulcrum and remove the wheel device in the back and count the weights and their location

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There is no wheel at all in the back plane of the animation: the green circle is just fictious, showing the path of the free lozenge summits.

Instead there is only a cross (in yellow) which is essential and must NOT be removed.
Don't remove it: this is the most important part of the assembly, assuming the synchronization between the two centers (fulcrum and COG).
On a mechanical point of view we must attach only one arm of the yellow cross to the wheel and leave free the second one.
I apologize for the small size not really easy for an accurate observation, I will try to make a bigger one.

For the previous point, Richard answered perfectly above.

[AB Hammer]

Path_Finder

I was referring to placement to the fulcrum/axle. Then add the weights up for what is being tried. I saw the the rocking of the arm in it. Articulating parts have to have a place to go. I still look forward to your final build. Each build teaches us something, and I am as interested what stops a wheel as well as what makes it go.

Alan

[path_finder]

Dear AB Hammer,
Your concern regarding the locking of the both primemovers is irrelevant if these rhomboidal mechanisms are built and attached to the crossbar like in this previous shot here: http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/download.php?id=9891. The two arms of the yellow cross must be external, the rest of the frame and the weights rotating internally. Consider this shot, NOT such as the main wheel, but such as a single primemover. If I would not have built this wrong gravity wheel, I could not find the way to build it, to resolve your concern, and finally to use it as a primemover.


Hereafter a slide presentation shows how the both primemovers are located and what is the result of their unbalanced action.
The two yellow disks are the two crossbars defined in the previous animations.
At at certain moment seven weights disappear because their resultant COG (center of gravity) is centered on the main axis. Only the most right excentered weight remains active (the torque being shown by the violet arm).
Note the resurgence of the famous 'vesica pisces' like shown in the last shot

[AB Hammer]

Dear path_finder

Here are some draw overs of you pictures in different position with the most likely center of gravity due to 2 points of mount. Also if you could get the center of gravity to the center of your weighted arms. It would spin counter clockwise in the picture. I hope this helps in what I am seeing. But I do hope you are correct, but I can't see it at this time. We can only go by what we have learned in our own experiences. But also lets not forget the friction combining systems cause.

[Richard]

Hi Alan...hope your build is progressing well...

...Your CoG's are of the prime mover ...but does not count for its connection to the cross pieces..

richard

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It would spin counter clockwise in the picture

Even if the working wheel rotates counterclockwise, I will accept it anyway.
For a clockwise rotation just invert the position of this primemover.
The final building will give us the real state.

[AB Hammer]

Dear path_finder

I believe we are in full agreement LOL clockwise or counter clockwise as long as it turns. LOL


Richard

The bottom picture is if PF could get the center of gravity effect to the red spot. It was just an example. My personal designs are very different. Understanding from experience saves us time. I am in construction of 2 at the moment with totally different ways. I should have them done shortly.


Alan

[Richard]

..it is so easy for ..the butterflys to set in..at this stage...

best of success to both of you!

richard

[path_finder]

Just a shot of my latest work: the central disk with the two sets of eight grooves.
I hope this will give an answer to Alan (AB Hammer) for his doubt about the mechanical collisions.
The final wheel will have two compartments, defined by one side, this central disk, and the second side of the wheel.
Each of these three parts has a set of eight grooves (every 45 grades), with a shift of 22,5 grades between the two compartments.

[path_finder]

A recent shot of the frame: three parallel disks defining two areas (for each primemover).
Next step: test of the two reciprocators with a dummy cage. We need to be sure of the geometry before to use the unbalanced final primemovers.

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For the builders,
A shot of the dummy primemover (empty) for the geometrical and mechanical tests.
On each side there are four rollers, which are inserted inside the two sets of grooves in each compartment (cf shot above).

[Richard]

Dear Path_finder

the attachment is the "sefirot" from Zohar...Kabbalah....it is also called "the tree of life"

richard

[Ben]

Pathfinder,

If nothing else (and there is much else), you are quite a prolific builder. I take my hat off to you for your efforts.

Ben

[Grimer]

Me too.

[path_finder]

Many thanks to Ben and Grimer for the encouragement.

This shot is the follow of the previous topic here: http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... 8378#88378
where I sugested to hang the COG to a cart located at the top of the wheel.
Now the locking situation is solved (see below) and the two carts are able to roll around the full wheel, like two monorail cabins.
The second drawing summarizes this concept.
The question still remaining is: what mechanism will oblige the two carts to keep always the almost upper position?