Cosmic Energy Electricity Generators

[ken_behrendt]

Mr. Tseung...

I understand how you got the horizontal distance that the weight is displaced in your diagram, which is:

Distance horizontal = Length x sin (a)

But, I think the problem is that you have mistakenly assumed that the horizontal force, F, can simply be multiplied by that horizontal distance to obtain the work being done on the swinging and, more importantly, rising pendulum.

Actually, if one slowly increases the horizontal force being applied to move the pendulum to the right, one will find that far less than a force of F is required to begin moving the pendulum. Then, the force must be slowly increased to finally bring it to any position at which its support rod makes an angle a with its starting position.

Thus, if one wants to use the horizontal displacement distance only to calculate the energy stored in the pendulum, one must use an average value for the changing horizontal displacement force and that average value will be a LOT less than F. As a result of this, the "horizontal energy" or work that must be done horizontally to move the pendulum will not be equal to the value you show, but would actually be equal to the far easier to calculate "vertical energy" of the pendulum

But, one must make a choice of talking either about the pendulum's horizontal or vertical energy. It can not have both! If one thinks it has both, then one is actually adding energy to the system which is not there. I think your "Coefficient of Over Unity" or COU of 1.5 is wrong. It should really be written as:

COU = total output energy / supplied energy =(0.819411)/0.819411 = 1.0 and this certainly is NOT "free" energy!

One would not have to do any work on the pendulum in a horizontal direction unless the pendulum was also rising as it moved. Thus, what you are calling "horizontal" energy is only the "vertical energy" being put into the rising weight. The two are the same and should only be counted once.


Scott...

I have been using MS Word for a while now and discovered that whatever text formatting changes are most recently used by it while reading a .doc file I download will, somehow, show up in whatever .doc file I am currently working on. I think this could be a glitch in the program and I have tried everything I could think of to modify the current Template to correct it and, eventually, gave up. The template only shows the last four documents worked on and eventually the contaminted one moves off the Template list. But, while I'm waiting for it to leave, I'm forced to read, write, and edit pages in a formatting that I did not want and which can cause eye fatique. I now avoid this problem by NOT opening any .doc files while I'm in the middle of working on a file myself.

As far as the .pdf files are concerned, I have no problem opening such files off of the internet or, in the case of Mr. Tseung's "theory" .pdf, when someone emails me them as an attachment. I can not remember if I have been able to successfully open other .pdg files off of this board. I'm at a loss to explain what is happening in this case.



ken

[Wheeler]

Sir
Your link seems to not be working

http://www.energyfromair.com/besslerwhe ... tseung.htm

[ltseung888]

To Wheeler,

Thanks for pointing out the mistake. The correct URL is:

http://www.energyfromair.com/besslerwheel/leetseung.htm

[ltseung888]

To ken_behrendt,

I understand how you got the horizontal distance that the weight is displaced in your diagram, which is:

Distance horizontal = Length x sin (a)

But, I think the problem is that you have mistakenly assumed that the horizontal force, F, can simply be multiplied by that horizontal distance to obtain the work being done on the swinging and, more importantly, rising pendulum.

Actually, if one slowly increases the horizontal force being applied to move the pendulum to the right, one will find that far less than a force of F is required to begin moving the pendulum. Then, the force must be slowly increased to finally bring it to any position at which its support rod makes an angle a with its starting position.

Thus, if one wants to use the horizontal displacement distance only to calculate the energy stored in the pendulum, one must use an average value for the changing horizontal displacement force and that average value will be a LOT less than F. As a result of this, the "horizontal energy" or work that must be done horizontally to move the pendulum will not be equal to the value you show, but would actually be equal to the far easier to calculate "vertical energy" of the pendulum

You are at the last hurdle now. As you put in very well, one should take the changing horizontal force and that average value will be a LOT less than F. This analysis was in fact used in University Physics when no Pulse Force was considered. See the following quote in my discussion with a Professor in Physics.

Work is the integral of F(x) cos(theta) dx where x is position and dx is the infinitesimal displacement of the object on which the force acts, and theta is the angle between the force vector and the displacement vector. F(x) is the force, a variable function of x. When you displace the pendulum bob, the string is always perpendicular to the bob's displacement, and therefore cos(theta) = 0 and therefore the string does no work on the bob.”

In our coming commercial product, the pulse force F(x) is a constant and applied at resonance. It is effectively switched on and off with the same direction and magnitude. In other words, F(x) is not a variable function x. This will change the entire mathematics. (The CD will explain this.) The Weighted Cylinder is used instead of the simple pendulum.

However, in our case, we are supplying F. We can determine its magnitude and duration. We also apply it at resonance. (The working commercial Pulse Forces almost all use on and off switching to provide a fixed magnitude and duration.) In FAQa4.doc which you probably did not download, we showed the effect of applying the Pulse Force in different directions. The first part shows applying the Pulse Force horizontally. The second part shows applying the Pulse Force at an angle upwards so that it is a mirror image to the Tension of the String. The third part shows the effect of applying the Pulse Force in different directions.

Remember, we only lead out gravitational energy when we apply the Pulse Force that is under the control of the inventor. Make sure you apply the Pulse Force at Resonance - pushing the child when the Swing reaches its highest position.

See if someone can help you to turn FAQa4.doc posted on Mon Jul 03, 2006 1:25 pm into .pdf so that you can read it. (rlortie, can you please help again. Thank you.)

[Wheeler]

Mr. Tseung
I have read your doc. and it is clear you may have a system.
Can you have one of your research personal also come onto the
forum?
It would be a very good if another inventor or Georg were to now introduce some insight on your theory.

[Wheeler]

I looked at the possibility of the system and it looks similar to what Mr. S was trying to accomplish in another topic.
However some of this system may show promise that has not been considered.
The theory seems logical and so from what I can see Mr.Tseung should not receive the red light, and maybe even put away the yellow flag.

What is it going to hurt if someone goes a few laps alone on the track?
Maybe he will show his car has more speed than we thought, or maybe he hits the wall on the first turn.

Attached is a basic idea I formed from looking at his proposed Bessler wheel.

[graham]

Wheeler thinks:

What is it going to hurt if someone goes a few laps alone on the track?

I agree, what indeed ?

Let's see where Mr T takes us. He seems to believe in his principle and at least it's a diversion from the well trodden path of the "overbalanced wheel".

But Mr Tseung it would be nice if you could show us one of your working prototypes.

Graham

[LustInBlack]

The problem is 18 pages and only 1 "valid" machine ... .

[ltseung888]

To Wheeler,

I looked at the possibility of the system and it looks similar to what Mr. S was trying to accomplish in another topic.
However some of this system may show promise that has not been considered.
The theory seems logical and so from what I can see Mr.Tseung should not receive the red light, and maybe even put away the yellow flagÂ…...

Attached is a basic idea I formed from looking at his proposed Bessler wheel.

You are getting the basic idea of building the Machine that would extract Energy from Gravity. There should be 5 elements:

1. A starting mechanism to get the overbalanced wheel to the required rotational speed. It could be as simple as a spin by hand or as complicated as a fireworks rocket or a separate starting motor.

2. A mechanism to extract Gravitational Energy. The theory is that of the Pendulum under a Pulse Force making it an OU device of 1.5. The practical implementation is an overbalanced wheel. Most inventors spend their energy, time and money on this mechanism. There is no need to do too much as the theoretical limit is 1.5. Thus I avoid overbalanced wheels with complex internal movements.

3. An energy extraction mechanism. Most inventors did not know that they could only extract 1/3 the output energy even in ideal environments. Many promising overbalanced wheel devices in this forum tried to use all the output energy.

4. A feedback mechanism. Most inventors did not know that they should feedback 2/3 the output energy back to the input to maintain continuous operation. Without the correct theory to guide them, the inventors would have to depend on luck. My suggested Bessler Wheel design had a crude frictional feedback system with the incorrect gear ratio. This forum should focus more on the design of such feedback mechanisms. The double motor or feedback motor is a good example (implemented in USA as the Joe Newman Machine.)

5. A braking or control mechanism. Once the machine works, there should be a mechanism to avoid overloading. Suppose the design was for generating 10KW and there were no load (every electrical appliance switched off), the machine must not continue outputting the peak power energy. This is the hurdle that is preventing many of our inventors from producing the commercial product.

[ovyyus]

The 5th element is proving to be quite a hurdle indeed - lol

[LustInBlack]

Heheheheheh ..


Yeah, let's take this problem on hand, we should invent a brake as soon as possible!!!!!


Tseung : Did Newman actually married that 8 years-old girl ?!?

Do your research before posting that kind of pathetic guy as a possible Free energy inventor.

[LustInBlack]

Tseung I have a request for you.

Download WM2D and design your machine, then upload the design WM2d file if possible on the forum .

I don't care if it doesn't work, I just want to test something . . . .

[ken_behrendt]

Mr. Tseung wrote:

Remember, we only lead out gravitational energy when we apply the Pulse Force that is under the control of the inventor. Make sure you apply the Pulse Force at Resonance - pushing the child when the Swing reaches its highest position.

I have no doubt that one can get a pendulum or a wheel to continuously move by applying carefully timed "pulses" of force to it. This is exactly how an ordinary electric motor works. But, this type of device only works when it has an external power source attached to it.

However, you claim to be able to do this with the "free" gravitational energy that you say builds up in the pendulum or wheel itself. Many inventors have tried to use electrical and mechanical "feedback" type systems that would be powered by the device that they drove. None of these devices has been successful.

So, just to clarify matters. Do you or any of your associates now have such a device which continuously operates and generates enough power to not only provide the "pulses" that accelerate it or maintain its motion, but to also power some device external to it?

If this is the case, can you post a photograph of one of these devices?


ken

[Wheeler]

Well from the carefully selected words from Mr T, it looks like another one bites the dust.
Sorry guys I thought for a moment it had potential, but Mr. T has just given the answer.
Reading between the lines he is saying (I have nothing)
Good night and good luck.

[LustInBlack]

Wheeler : I think it's even more pathetic than that .. I think Mister T really believes he has something, but yet, he cannot define how it's working, so he imagined a way to explain it simply.. He cannot accept the reality, so he keeps repeating the same story over and over and over so our mind are saturated with the information and pop open, not unlike cracking a password by brute force.. He is trying to make us believe more than anything, and that's why it is sure he has nothing to show.

I don't have faith in God, nor do I have faith in Tseung .