Well, I think I do - but to add Jim's famous rider:agor95 wrote: We know the principle of it's function?
"I could be wrong."
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"I could be wrong."
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It would be positive if we put our humble ideas forward.
@All no conflict - every one has the right to see the world their way.
Please Grimer you first
@All no conflict - every one has the right to see the world their way.
Please Grimer you first
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What makes you think that?agor95 wrote:bailywick1's 'The Dominant Flywheel'
I believe he is from the northwest of England.
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Because - He does not have an accent :-)
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LOL - The only person who would think that is someone who was from that region himself.
A friend has suggested Kent or Essex. Any other offers?
A friend has suggested Kent or Essex. Any other offers?
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Grimer. I haven't watched the whole video for quite a while, but I am pretty sure he says it runs down. What makes you think it is a "runner"
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@Tarsier79
There is that seven letter word.
Would you like to put forward how it functions.
There is that seven letter word.
Would you like to put forward how it functions.
It would be positive if we put our humble ideas forward.
@All no conflict - every one has the right to see the world their way.
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He doesn't.Tarsier79 wrote:Grimer. I haven't watched the whole video for quite a while, but I am pretty sure he says it runs down. What makes you think it is a "runner"
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I am positive he said it did, otherwise I wouldn't have moved on without even attempting a build. Perhaps you and I saw slightly different videos of the same device.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3I2zeo ... e=youtu.be
Well, go through it for yourself. Its only 5 minutes long.
As far as I'm concerned its either a fake or PM.
If I were a builder I'd definitely try building it - sticking as close as possible to what you see in the video.
Even if he had said it did eventually run down I would still build it on the basis of what the video showed.
I think you may be getting confused by his opinion that it's not PM.
What would he know.
He doesn't strike me as the most educated of people.
Well, go through it for yourself. Its only 5 minutes long.
As far as I'm concerned its either a fake or PM.
If I were a builder I'd definitely try building it - sticking as close as possible to what you see in the video.
Even if he had said it did eventually run down I would still build it on the basis of what the video showed.
I think you may be getting confused by his opinion that it's not PM.
What would he know.
He doesn't strike me as the most educated of people.
Who is she that cometh forth as the morning rising, fair as the moon, bright as the sun, terribilis ut castrorum acies ordinata?
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There's more. The Milkovic is the boundary case of two pendulums. The weight end is simply a very long pendulum which is moving very slowly - for all practical purposes stationary. We have a BOGOFF situation.cloud camper wrote:Forgot to mention it Frank, but your suggestion of the long and short pendulum was excellent and is the exact mechanism that creates energy in the child's swing.
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The important point to grasp is that a pendulum not only picks up 2nd order derivative energy from the gravitational wind streaming past the bob, but it also makes its own contribution of impulse energy - and as you know the dimensions of impulse energy are Force multiplied by time. Greendoor realised the potential of Ft. I haven't seen him around recently.
Where does the pendulum add this energy?
At the pivot.
As the pendulum passes through its nadir the pivot experiences an extra downward force from the pendulum and an upward force from the structure supporting the pendulum. It is this upward force which is the F of the impulse.
Think of it as a stationary lift of the pendulum. Stationary to us because we view it from the wrong datum.
The 2nd order derivative together with the Ft impulse make up the 3rd derivative energy. This is transferred to the long pendulum where it grows to its full height and the crop is handed back to the pendulum in the form of extra angular momentum. The cycle the repeats.
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Post from youtube
Frank Grimer
Al Setalokin reckons it was strong magnets under the table and that B moved the device around till he was over the right spot.
To be fair to Al, he did recognise that if it wasn't a fraud then it was PM.
He, or Tinsel Koala (his other anagram of Nikola Tesla) wrote a post in these comments but I can't find it.
Maybe his comment was somewhere else where this device was being discussed.
You say, "Maybe that happens because the brass weight's momentum continues to push the spring up a bit longer?" I think you've put your finger on it - well done. :-)
Frank Grimer
Al Setalokin reckons it was strong magnets under the table and that B moved the device around till he was over the right spot.
To be fair to Al, he did recognise that if it wasn't a fraud then it was PM.
He, or Tinsel Koala (his other anagram of Nikola Tesla) wrote a post in these comments but I can't find it.
Maybe his comment was somewhere else where this device was being discussed.
You say, "Maybe that happens because the brass weight's momentum continues to push the spring up a bit longer?" I think you've put your finger on it - well done. :-)
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'The Dominant Flywheel'
In my humble opinion:-
1. Flywheel cam.
2. Lever spring at an incline to the cam; when in contact.
3. Weight on spring.
The cam receives negative torque when it is in contact with the Lever spring.
That reduces until the cam is exerting tangential strain on the spring.
Like wise there is an opposite strain in the cam's structure; not used.
There is a down ward wave along the spring. That travels to the hard stop and is reflected back to the cam with a delay.
The Weight also drops as it's supporting spring drops due to the above.
The overshoots due to inertia and returns. This is then combined with the returning wave motion.
The spring then pushes against the cam supplying positive torque.
This is applied with the strain acting at a more optimal direction.
Summary
There are two source of structural strain.
a. in the Cam
b. in the Lever Spring
It would be interesting to model a Flywheel Cam & Lever Pendulum assembly; with no spring.
In my humble opinion:-
1. Flywheel cam.
2. Lever spring at an incline to the cam; when in contact.
3. Weight on spring.
The cam receives negative torque when it is in contact with the Lever spring.
That reduces until the cam is exerting tangential strain on the spring.
Like wise there is an opposite strain in the cam's structure; not used.
There is a down ward wave along the spring. That travels to the hard stop and is reflected back to the cam with a delay.
The Weight also drops as it's supporting spring drops due to the above.
The overshoots due to inertia and returns. This is then combined with the returning wave motion.
The spring then pushes against the cam supplying positive torque.
This is applied with the strain acting at a more optimal direction.
Summary
There are two source of structural strain.
a. in the Cam
b. in the Lever Spring
It would be interesting to model a Flywheel Cam & Lever Pendulum assembly; with no spring.
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Since my hearing isn't too brilliant I asked my grandson, George, to make a transcript of the DOMINANT FLYWHEEL video for me .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3I2zeo ... e=youtu.be
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Hi there,
Welcome to my little novelty engine. I happen to call it the DOMINANT FLYWHEEL, reason being is that the dominance of the flywheel over the crank pin.
Just turn it round for you to have a quick look.
The whole of it is made up out of scrap bits and pieces from my workshop, and, all of it is held together by epoxy resin so it's a tiny, tiny little bit delicate.
The flywheel is made from an old tuning capacitor from a radio, a little bit of brass on the shaft, some bearings out of an old motor, and the crank pin is from an old twelve volt car tyre inflator.
We've got a spring out of an old alarm clock and - really that's about it - or maybe the fact it's got a little weight on it. This is to tune the length of the spring. You simply slide it along till you get the right length. It's a bit like a pendulum on an alarm clock or like tuning a guitar by moving your fingers up and down the strings.
Anyway for what its worth - let's give it a spin.
You put the energy into the flywheel and away it goes.
There we go. What about that?
The crank pin is pushing the spring down and the spring is pushing it back up.
I don't think there's any spare energy from it - so you can discount that one……….
Let's give it another spin.
Right, what we are going to do now is, I'll just get myself a screwdriver and I'll show you the tuning of the spring. What we’re gonna’ do is loosen this bolt and move the weight along - if it will actually go along. It's a bit of old junk out of my scrap draw - Bring the bolt up a little bit. Now we go again ….,……
How about that! The further back you put the weight, the faster it goes.
You've changed the spring tension.
But I still don't believe there's any spare energy from it. I really don't.
Anyway happy viewing.
Just spinning it round……….. There we are.
You could probably pop out into your workshop and duplicate this quite easily. And it's amazing the strength of epoxy resin.
I use a proprietary brand of epoxy resin which is well known to everybody.
And....for some reason or the other I'm not allowed to mention the company's name. Okay fine.
Epoxy resin is epoxy resin.
Anyway, there you are, what do you think of that?
Any questions, get in touch.
Oh, and the reason that this spring support bar is at a peculiar angle, it's because I really didn't know what length of spring to use, so I thought, oh well, crank it over a bit, glue it on, and then we can reduce it by the balance weight.
So there you are. Up and running.
Anyway, thanks for taking the time to have a look.
I'll just leave it running for a moment, and thank you very much.
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Who thinks he's a fraud? Who thinks he's genuine?
I think he's genuine. If he is, we have mastered gravity. We have PM.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3I2zeo ... e=youtu.be
============================================
Hi there,
Welcome to my little novelty engine. I happen to call it the DOMINANT FLYWHEEL, reason being is that the dominance of the flywheel over the crank pin.
Just turn it round for you to have a quick look.
The whole of it is made up out of scrap bits and pieces from my workshop, and, all of it is held together by epoxy resin so it's a tiny, tiny little bit delicate.
The flywheel is made from an old tuning capacitor from a radio, a little bit of brass on the shaft, some bearings out of an old motor, and the crank pin is from an old twelve volt car tyre inflator.
We've got a spring out of an old alarm clock and - really that's about it - or maybe the fact it's got a little weight on it. This is to tune the length of the spring. You simply slide it along till you get the right length. It's a bit like a pendulum on an alarm clock or like tuning a guitar by moving your fingers up and down the strings.
Anyway for what its worth - let's give it a spin.
You put the energy into the flywheel and away it goes.
There we go. What about that?
The crank pin is pushing the spring down and the spring is pushing it back up.
I don't think there's any spare energy from it - so you can discount that one……….
Let's give it another spin.
Right, what we are going to do now is, I'll just get myself a screwdriver and I'll show you the tuning of the spring. What we’re gonna’ do is loosen this bolt and move the weight along - if it will actually go along. It's a bit of old junk out of my scrap draw - Bring the bolt up a little bit. Now we go again ….,……
How about that! The further back you put the weight, the faster it goes.
You've changed the spring tension.
But I still don't believe there's any spare energy from it. I really don't.
Anyway happy viewing.
Just spinning it round……….. There we are.
You could probably pop out into your workshop and duplicate this quite easily. And it's amazing the strength of epoxy resin.
I use a proprietary brand of epoxy resin which is well known to everybody.
And....for some reason or the other I'm not allowed to mention the company's name. Okay fine.
Epoxy resin is epoxy resin.
Anyway, there you are, what do you think of that?
Any questions, get in touch.
Oh, and the reason that this spring support bar is at a peculiar angle, it's because I really didn't know what length of spring to use, so I thought, oh well, crank it over a bit, glue it on, and then we can reduce it by the balance weight.
So there you are. Up and running.
Anyway, thanks for taking the time to have a look.
I'll just leave it running for a moment, and thank you very much.
============================================
Who thinks he's a fraud? Who thinks he's genuine?
I think he's genuine. If he is, we have mastered gravity. We have PM.
- deposuit potentes de sede et exaltavit humiles
Who is she that cometh forth as the morning rising, fair as the moon, bright as the sun, terribilis ut castrorum acies ordinata?
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For those interested in possibly constructing a model of this:
The adjustable sliding weight will be recognizable to any carpenter with empirical skill in building rafters and stairs. The device is called a "stair jack" and bolts onto a framing square. You would use two of these for laying out either rafters or stairs.
Can be purchased at many hardware stores and builder supply companies.
Ralph
The adjustable sliding weight will be recognizable to any carpenter with empirical skill in building rafters and stairs. The device is called a "stair jack" and bolts onto a framing square. You would use two of these for laying out either rafters or stairs.
Can be purchased at many hardware stores and builder supply companies.
Ralph