Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel

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Sam Peppiatt wrote: Sat Oct 09, 2021 2:12 pm vlmmoa55,

I think; you are saying that pendulums are useless. Well you aren't alone. Apparently every on this forum feels the same way. I've tried so hard to explain how important they are, but no one can grasp it. I'll never understand why-------------------------------------------Sam
I don't.

I have been away from the forum for some time So I'm trying hard to catch up with developments. Working through your posts I came across the above,

There is a good theoretical reason for using two pendulums. A pendulum generated 3rd derivative energy. Precession energy is a specific case. A gyro does the same.

Switching gyros enables a linear progression of a wheeled carriage.

Inside a drum with two pendulums this will result in a rotation.

Your instinct is correct so keep at it and you might well stumble on Bessler's secret.
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Hi Senax,
I didn't know they had that capability. What I'm doing, or trying to do is; take advantage of there relative motion with respect to the wheel. I.E., they move more or less parallel with the ground while the wheel is rotating. I'm afraid it's a much more mundane concept. Thanks' for the encouragement, Senax, it's greatly appreciated! And please keep up your good work as well-------------------------------------------------Sam
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Sam Peppiatt wrote: Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:57 pm Right now, the problem of stopping the wheel is pretty much of a joke. .. .. .
Well, well, Shammy, that was before the return of Xenax.
er, I mean Senax.

You better start working on that brake now!
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Hi Waltcy!

Perhaps he has saved me, more than he will ever know----------------------------------------Sam
PS However, still not quite ready for that brake-----------
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FWEIW,

Having problems with the reset gear. Looks like it has to be 1/2 of a gear, not 1/4, as originally thought. While the wheel is turning CCW, the pendulums gear is turning CW, or backwards with respect to the reset gear. So, it, this gear has to drive for twice the time because it is turning twice the rate, to rotate the arm 90 degrees. Which means it has to have twice as many teeth, or 1/2 of a gear. If that makes any sense----Sam
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Hi Sam,
what you try is called relative motion.

I you have a big ring with teeth and an inner wheel with teeth and turn both,
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the inner wheel will under specific conditions not turn,
it is keeping the oriented direction of a weight.

The relation is depending on the diameter of the big ring and the inner gear.
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Hi Georg!
Beautiful drawing! I envy your ability, if only I could do that, then you would know what I'm doing. The way it is now no one will ever figure it out.
All I can do is to keep trying to explain it. It's like the peddles on a bicycle, they go around and around in a circle but don't rotate. A heavy arm is fastened to each peddle. If you were to view the bicycle from the left side, the arm with it's weight, is always pointing forward. Always pointing out on the down side and pointing in on the up side. As the arms move across the bottom and across the top, they have to be lifted back up. The wheel is OOB when the arms are moving down and again as they move up. All the other stuff is needed to control the arms.

Do you have any questions Georg? Anything at all? If so, I'll try to answer them the best I can------------------------------------Sam
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Hi Sam,

something like that ?
http://www.alt.kuenstler-energie.de/kopf.html
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Georg,
Some thing like what? I just get a blank page--------------------------------------------Sam
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The short answer would be, no. No, nothing like that--------------------------------------Sam
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Up date,
With a new set of gears,(timing gears from Texas), I start a 2nd generation prototype. The first one was beset with mechanical difficulties. Enough to drive you crazy! If I can get every thing to work; it will be a miracle----------------------------------------------Sam
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Another up date FWEIW,
The new half gear is working good. One drive unit complete. Have to make another one for the other side of the wheel for static balance. The weights / arms shift in on the up side and out on the down side. This does most, or about 85% of the lifting. A spring does another 10 %, which leaves the wheel to do the rest. IF it will do that, it should run but, can't be sure-------------------------------------------Sam
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Should find out soon if it's going to work.
Have only to install the clutches / one way bearings to try it. They were removed to make it easer to resolve numerous mechanical issues--Sam
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I don't think the wheel will work,
What can be done about, if any thing, it is uncertain------------------------------Sam
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