Big Troubles Brewing For The Theoretical Physics Smart-Set!!!

[nicbordeaux]

All right Grimer, you can believe in it, no problems.

[eccentrically1]

I think he's a fraud.

Why do you think this? I've reviewed the video several times and also read Frank's transcript. I don't see any fraud here. I don't see PM either. If there were any extra energy then the device would accelerate. It doesn't.

Just because you can't see the fraud means it's genuine? But you say you don't see PM either. Isn't it one or the other?

There is extra energy because the device does accelerate. Where the extra is coming from is the fraud. If it wasn't getting extra energy, it would slow down and stop. It's a flywheel with a load on it, from the spring. The spring should stop it sooner than it would stop if the spring wasn't there.

[Grimer]

There is extra energy because the device does accelerate. Where the extra is coming from is the fraud.

No. The extra energy is not coming from a fraud. The extra-energy is coming from the quasi-pendulum. The eccentric load.

A pendulum gathers two orders of energy, 2nd and 3rd derivative. The combination is passed to the weight where it is transformed into all 2nd derivative. It is then sent back to the 360° pendulum where it is taken up as an increase in angular momentum.

It's a power cycle with Newtonian Gravity as the inexhaustible fuel supply.

[ovyyus]

Some people should at least try to get their hands dirty (or just a little bit dusty) by actually building something real, and 6th derivative that hot air thought-bubble. Perhaps I miss the point (again) and it's all about endless hot air thought-bubbles.

[ME]

I don't know if it's already mentioned, but in that case I'll just repeat.
It's interesting that this machine speeds up when it's moved towards to camera (or more inside that white circle on the table).

Obvious speed-ups at: 1:47, 1:57, 3:39, (at 1:52 a probable deadspot?)

At 3:39 (where the sound dips) it goes from about 235 BPM to 286 BPM
See attachment: Spectral view (max 6 kHz) - updated/better resolution

[eccentrically1]

A pendulum, the spring and weight, converts PE, any form, to KE, heat, eventually, and stops. Gravity is another load on the flywheel, it's not turning the flywheel. Mr Hand and his secret wheel puller turn it. The spring doesn't create angular momentum in the flywheel. It robs it of angular momentum. It's a load. Hot-air thought-bubble, lol.

[Grimer]

I'm clearly wasting my time trying to educate a doubting Thomas who is who is mathematically challenged.

[nicbordeaux]

You obviously missed my post with the sound bite. The machine changes speed (accelerates) when the person moves it to a different position on the table. Pray now, tell me why it should only accelerate when it is moved to a different position on the table ? Yeah, I'm mathematically chanllenged as you say, but neither deaf nor blind, and even less gullible. And I'd have liked a look at the Under side of the thing.

https://youtu.be/-njnHB18JdM

If there were any extra energy then the device would accelerate. It doesn't.

The builder gives the flywheel a spin which takes the device above its equilibrium speed. The speed then oscillates until equilibrium is reached. Initially it falls below equilibrium, rises above , falls below....with ever decreasing amplitude. VINA correctly interpreted the rise you saw as part of the speed oscillation towards equilibrium.

The fact that it does accelerate towards equilibrium is evidence that there is extra energy which stops the slowdown in its tracks.

[nicbordeaux]

Just wondering, is it AA or AAA battery ?

[WaltzCee]

GM was bumping today! I might of exited with $2usd a share in my pocket. I held pat.
My guess is the capital I put in GM will serve me better over the next year or so than if
I left it with BAC. I think if you have any money in savings with BAC you should move
it out and buy their stock, or GM's. You don't need to thank me.

• Just because you can't see the fraud means it's genuine?
  • eccentrically1

No. I see possible deception but I don't see fraud.

• But you say you don't see PM either. Isn't it one or the other?
  • eccentrically1

I guess I need to review this video one more time. I don't see anywhere where this fine gentleman is claiming PM. Quite the opposite, he's saying he doesn't think there's anything in it. I also don't see him trying to sell it.

There is no fraud here.

[WaltzCee]

I was just struck by the weirdest thought ever. Collusion. Someone in the same area
as this bloke knows him. bailywick1 demonstrates the dominatrix flywheel and someone
else (who will remain nameless) acts as a potential buyer explaining how real it is
drumming up the market. Eventually a potential shill steps forward.

Now you're talking fraud. It was just a weird idea.

[eccentrically1]

I'm wasting my time too. There are a lot of trusting Donalds here that are challenged in many ways.
I'm not mathematically challenged, I understand the math that explains the dominant flywheel.

I have stock in GM, for one, already.

What is the difference between the possible deception you see and the fraud you don't? Aren't those synonyms?

He isn't explicitly claiming PM, he is implying it- "my novelty engine" . What else would he be doing?

So that's the bar to get over? Just imply PM, deceive somehow, and there you go , "up and running"?

If someone fell for this, they deserve to lose their money.

[nicbordeaux]

I have a few friends who haven't ever built anything, but believe that all these "PM" vids on youtube are real, and post them on their Facebook page along with eat vegan and other stop eartworm cruelty content. I had a hard time explaining away some joker claiming that you can get electricity from a potato if you align it on a North - South axis, and stick two électrodes into it. There was a good demo of the operator sticking his wires into the spud and probing, and then a little motor running. Nobody wanted to believe that there was a battery in the potato, because the vid said it was zero point energy. There again, these pals are drummers and bass players.

[Furcurequs]

Apparently, boiled potatoes make for better batteries:

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovatio ... 180948260/

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/2013111 ... -the-world

I'm having a hard time finding specific numbers for energy output, but they say the output from a boiled potato hooked up the way they've done it is equivalent to about 1/2 a regular AA battery and for the same energy output should be about 1/50th the cost.

Oh, look... I've even found a video demonstrating that the output of a boiled potato exceeds that of a raw one.

...and, would you believe it?!

It seems to have been made by the same guy who hoaxed the V-gate!!

"Potato Battery energy version"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ko_R3PeadG4

I might have to actually do this experiment myself.

[WaltzCee]

I have a few friends . . .

If you told me you knew a few folk, I'd have bought it.

I have stock in GM, for one, already.

Too cool. Most don't understand the value of a stock like GM. As GM languished over the last 4 years, at least you got a dividend! Good on you. I have two points about the matter though. One relates to the idea: Did you add to your position? There was incredible opportunity to do so over the last 4 years. Did you? Or did you just bury that opportunity thinking it would be good enough that at least you didn't loose your capital as the bond holders did when Obama rewrote the rules. No matter either way.

Also, I'm about to show you what I'm talking about. First, I mentioned a while back DOW 20K. Grimer knows I did. 20K is presently resistance that is soon to become support. Expect the DOW to penetrate 20K. :) Viva la penetration! We're on the cusp of a bull IMNSHO.

Second, I was talking up GM Monday.
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... 056#150056
I was just going to let it set there and move on to other things, but I feel a bit challenged. I intend to flip this position, make a bit of profit and buy back in at around $36.6 USD. Why? I'm going to add 1/3 to my position. Why? Well, why should I criticize you for something I can't demonstrate? That would be hypocrisy. Now when do I plan to do this interesting thing? Between now and close of business this Friday.

But back to the topic at hand. I might add it's quite a digression from primemignonite's OP.

What is the difference between the possible deception you see and the fraud you don't? Aren't those synonyms?

No, they're not synonymous.

Also, people are too quick to discount Frank Grimer's idea. Don't sell it short until you at least get your mind around it. This is my sense of it. Similar masses go from level one to level two, then stop. The first mass just drops to level two. The second mass has a head start, leaving level one with some momentum. Both masses have the same energy. The second mass has more momentum because it left out of the gate (level one) with more.

Energies are equal but momentum is different. Is that what you're saying, Frank?