Thx Machine II

[ovyyus]

Lol well I'll just kick back and watch all these attempts...

Lazy.

[preoccupied]

Don't limit yourselves to pendulums guys. I think every MT drawing leads to a working gravity wheel and that there are gravity wheels not available from Bessler's clues. I deserve more attention for my ideas! I don't know why Ovyyus is criticizing JUBAT suddenly. In ball on a string thread JUBAT liked what I shared. Maybe Ovyyus has irritation with me specifically and is putting it on JUBAT. We are all classically scientifically foolish but are any of us dumb? I had head injuries; I'm pushing the envelope on that one!

[Fletcher]

Bessler's biggest clue about the weights gaining force from swinging?

It's dumb to build fantasy notions upon a wrong translation/interpretation. It's even dumber to then suppose you can advise others :D

“The internal structure of the machine is of a nature according to the laws of mechanical perpetual motion, so arranged that certain disposed weights, once in rotation, gain force from their own swinging, and must continue this movement as long as their structure does not lose its position and arrangement. R Gould “Oddities” & PMAAMS?

Weights gain force from their own swinging is repeated in PMAAMS? originally from R Gould's "Oddities" IINM ..

In AP and DT translations to English it is NOT described as 'weights swinging' ..

It has been discussed many times on the forum .. so it would be foolish to rely on that translation as literal when AP and DT do not support Gould's "swinging" notion per se .. that is not to say there are not swinging weights .. therefore balance in interpretation and meaning, and what is presented to members would seem prudent ..

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As for the rest - I agree with jb .. less personal indulgence into negativity etc .. and more physics and Bessler ..

[Tarsier79]

Well, I fell for that one too. I incorrectly thought "swinging weights" was a quote from Bessler. A quick search through JCs digital documents

PMAAMS:

He describes how he began to build a new wheel, making it larger than the
others and explains that the 'inward structure of the wheel is of a nature
according to the laws of perpetual motion, so arranged that certain disposed
weights once in rotation, gain force from their own swinging, and must
continue their movement as long as their structure does not lose its position
and arrangement.

There is no direct translation of "Swing..." in AP, GB, DT. The mentions in MT are to do with pendulums, but are not mentioned in a positive way.

I suspect this is where the word "swinging" was inferred:

AP:

....None better will ever be found upon this
earth, for without the principle that I alone possess, there can be
no real perpetual motion. Whoever seeks another method is
deceiving himself, for my device does not need winding; it runs
according to "preponderance", and turns everything else along
with it; so long as its material shall endure,.....

DeepL Translate of the transcribed original, page (87), JCs AP page 235

The wheel's own power from within
Must begin without all momentum
To make united only the run,
And that one may not pull it up,
And that it has the control,
As I say in the first part, No.XL11I
And as my enemy will have this,
It should certainly be a mob;
Must now, even according to the enemy's writing
My work remains the right mob,
And indeed also a per se
And perpetual motion.
And on this wide earth
No better will be invented.
For without my principle
There is no mobile perpetuum. NB.
He who seeks otherwise is deceived,
For my work is not raised;
It runs with the prepondium
At the same time, everything also runs around;

And continuing:

As long as matter lasts and lasts,
As long as it fetches from itself.
On one side it is heavy and full,
On the other, empty and light (as it is). x.
Whoever wants to wait for another thing,
Makes fools of all wise men,
Who have not sought otherwise
The mobile and the overpowering;
What otherwise has been impossible,
That now with me stands exquisite.
Who does not believe it, make yet
In this kettledrum soon a hole,
As I have prescribed; No.L.
Let the suggestion be at will,
Then the whole thing will be clear,
And whether I speak and write true.
It will be possible on earth
So much money can be raised;
And bring it to me near,
And if I but see the same,
I'd sooner not touch it,
Till the art be made public;
Take men to you as much as I,
That it may be done properly;
If now the work be as you enemies say,
Then cut off my head,
And carry your money again

[MrTim]

Mark my words, if there is any truth to all of this nonsense, it will involve pendulums, springs, and triggers.

Nope, just an arrangement of weights and levers (though I may have found TWO for the one-way wheel... ;-)

[MrTim]

dp :-p

[preoccupied]

Mark my words, if there is any truth to all of this nonsense, it will involve pendulums, springs, and triggers.

Nope, just an arrangement of weights and levers (though I may have found TWO for the one-way wheel... ;-)

That's very exciting Tim! If you know how to do that maybe you can tell me if mine will work too, if you have the interest to check out my posts in other topics. I want to know about your working designs Tim. Don't they have inspiration examples in the MTs? You make me want to know! I am excited for you Tim! I am excited for your ideas! I think that he real value in gravity wheels is demonstration concerts. Like putting on shows large shows restricted because gravity wheels shouldn't be over used as a dangerous aspect of using energy in gravity destroying the planet. If my perpetual motion machines work and some of yours then that would all be part of the concerts. I would proudly parade my machines along yours in a concert or show.

[JUBAT]

Mark my words, if there is any truth to all of this nonsense, it will involve pendulums, springs, and triggers.

Nope, just an arrangement of weights and levers (though I may have found TWO for the one-way wheel... ;-)

yay I'm glad you found something that will work as compared to all these other claimants who don't follow through.

[agor95]

Good morning, everyone,

We'll make it short, I say the Bessler wheel works, and that Newton can sleep easy, no violation 1 ,2, or 3.

With a little patience (10 days) big max, you will see a functional proto (I imagine we already made you that one, but well I will not use any argument of authority to convince you that I am the best, the biggest etc. we don't care.

I have thought upon this threads recent posts and two notions come to mind.

The first is this threads original post. So thx4 can you give us a summary and update on how you are doing?

This is thx4 thread and we should give him some respect.

The other notion is Mental Health. We could all use it right now ;)

It's important we take time to balance how we address the 'The Quest' in our lives.
We should think; Retrospectively was that a good use of my time.

Have you changed for the better in the pursuit of the 'The Quest'.

I imagine 'The Quest' as a tree were as you climb up the tree you learn.

I am not lazy but active and the learning creates stronger branches.
So I do not fall back to the ground thus wasting time or money does not happen.

'The Quest' is a destination not a goal. Exploration and exercise is the product.

I am mindful each post has it's affect on others.
Thus effecting the atmosphere within the forum.
I just ignore some members exhaled posts.

I choose what atmosphere I breath.

All the Best Thx4 - Update Please.

[thx4]

Je te remercie Agor95, et moi qui te prenais pour un ami lol 😊
Malgré le fait que ma vie est une légende, et que j’ai eu de belles réussites professionnelles, je tiens à m’excuser de cette impudence 😊
Je continue de croire en mes capacités à résoudre certains problèmes, B en est un.
B l’ai fait aucun doute là-dessus, donc si B l’a fait, il n’y a pas de raison pour que je n’y arrive pas.
Selon moi il n’y a pas d’homme supérieur, que des opportunités que certains ne voient pas.
Je comprends la crainte de Fletcher, il faut trouver, mais pas trop vite, après que ferions-nous, je n’ose y penser 😊
A 70 ans, l’humanité m’a habituée au pire, les surprises sont devenues rares, l’imagination demeure intacte, surprenons-nous ! 😊

Thank you Agor95, and I thought you were a friend lol 😊
Despite the fact that my life is a legend, and that I've had some great professional successes, I'd like to apologize for this impudence 😊
I still believe in my ability to solve certain problems, B is one of them.
B made no doubt about it, so if B did it, there's no reason why I can't.
In my opinion, there are no superior men, only opportunities that some don't see.
I understand Fletcher's fear, we have to find out, but not too quickly, then what would we do, I don't dare think about it 😊
At 70, humanity has accustomed me to the worst, surprises have become rare, imagination remains intact, let's surprise ourselves! 😊

[agor95]

Hello thx4

Je suis aussi une légende à l'heure du déjeuner.
Il est bon que vous ayez une appréciation saine de vos capacités historiques.

Il est également utile de commencer par une prémisse selon laquelle « The Quest » est réalisable.
Une personne devrait regarder ses réalisations autour d'elle et non directement une cible spécifique.
Car les opportunités viennent des nouvelles idées et de l'ancien dans l'imagination.

Le cerveau gauche verrait votre réponse dans un sens. Cependant, mon cerveau droit peut se rapporter à votre vision du monde.

Regards

[thx4]

https://youtu.be/qIXl3-DYzVU
Je poursuis les investigations…
L’idée suivante c’est deux poids qui se balancent et ne sont pas rotatif mouvement en balancier sur une tige comme sur la vidéo précédente.
Lorsque le poids le plus lourds descend il provoque un choc, qui est sensé le faire changer de position … etc. cela peut prendre un peu de temps. 😊

I'll keep investigating...
The next idea is two weights swinging and not rotating in pendulum motion on a rod as in the previous video.
When the heavier weight comes down it causes a shock, which is supposed to make it change position ... etc. it may take a little time. 😊

[thx4]

A little better, but that was still to come...To be continued

https://youtu.be/1Mt-3juX4mo

[WaltzCee]

Good morning, everyone,

We'll make it short, I say the Bessler wheel works, and that Newton can sleep easy, no violation 1 ,2, or 3.

With a little patience (10 days) big max, you will see a functional proto (I imagine we already made you that one, but well I will not use any argument of authority to convince you that I am the best, the biggest etc. we don't care.

I have thought upon this threads recent posts and two notions come to mind.

The first is this threads original post. So thx4 can you give us a summary and update on how you are doing?

This is thx4 thread and we should give him some respect.

The other notion is Mental Health. We could all use it right now ;)

It's important we take time to balance how we address the 'The Quest' in our lives.
We should think; Retrospectively was that a good use of my time.

Have you changed for the better in the pursuit of the 'The Quest'.

I imagine 'The Quest' as a tree were as you climb up the tree you learn.

I am not lazy but active and the learning creates stronger branches.
So I do not fall back to the ground thus wasting time or money does not happen.

'The Quest' is a destination not a goal. Exploration and exercise is the product.

I am mindful each post has it's affect on others.
Thus effecting the atmosphere within the forum.
I just ignore some members exhaled posts.

I choose what atmosphere I breath.

All the Best Thx4 - Update Please.

Bessler wheel is a ghost town & your mommie dearest mentality is going to suck any remaining life it barely has out of it.

You flatter yourself when you say you think. If trees could talk, they'd tell you to get your dumb monkey ass out of them.

Your quest should be to evolve another brain cell. The one you have is lonely.

[Fletcher]

Thank you Agor95, and I thought you were a friend lol 😊 Despite the fact that my life is a legend, and that I've had some great professional successes, I'd like to apologize for this impudence 😊

I still believe in my ability to solve certain problems, B is one of them.

B made no doubt about it, so if B did it, there's no reason why I can't.

In my opinion, there are no superior men, only opportunities that some don't see.

I understand Fletcher's fear, we have to find out, but not too quickly, then what would we do, I don't dare think about it 😊
At 70, humanity has accustomed me to the worst, surprises have become rare, imagination remains intact, let's surprise ourselves! 😊

A great attitude thx4 .. one I respect and appreciate ..

We might not all individually succeed in replicating B's. wheels, but one day one of us will .. then the rest of us on the journey will be able to also share and bask in that success .. and we will have answers to questions that have long plagued and tormented us, and a new kind of knowledge worth knowing and greater respect for the collective effort to acquire it ..

Best -f