Georg Künstler's Ideas...

[Jonathan]

Why are you posting stuff in German? I tried to get it translated, but I couldn't understand,I only got the vaguest idea:

Now sometimes on German:
Why You have, actually, such fear to publish it?
If the Geheimniss is only sometimes out and knows everybody how one builds such a thing, then, nevertheless, you need to have no fear...
Thus if it really functioned with Yourself, then You should have rather fear if You do not publish it, because, nevertheless, then are rather
the Secret Services in it interested to wangle it out of You!

Well, thus slowly as it leads the way here and then
also not is explained properly, nevertheless, it confuses rather the people,
when it helps you...

It happens to me in such a way, as if it does not run with You, nevertheless, and You now
try to veil it....
I just see Sorry, but thus it...

Even though glad party,
Greeting, Harti.

Also, slightly different:

Now once in German: why do you have actually so an anxiety it to publish? If the secret is first once out and each constructs white, how one such a thing, you need to have yet no anxiety.. Yourself if it really functions with you, you should have sooner anxiety, do NOT publish if you it, for then the secret services are interested yet sooner at it, it you abzuluchsen!

Naja, so slowly how it will precede and then also not correctly explained here, confuses helps it yet sooner
the people, than it you..

It comes me so before as if it yet does not run with you and try you now, it to verschleiern... Sorry, but I so see
it now once..

Nevertheless happy festival, greeting, Harti.

[jim_mich]

Jonathan,

Georg is having trouble posting/reading English. Georg speaks German.

Stefan is from Berlin. He writes/reads German and English. He is trying to help Georg.

I just run the text through Babelfish and can get most of the meaning. German/English seem to translate poorly. Where is that Star Trek universal translator when you need it?

[Jonathan]

LOL.
Anyway, I didn't notice him having any trouble, I guess that shows how hard it is for me to understand him.

[Jonathan]

Georg, in a different thread, you said:

Gravity force*time has 'eaten up' all energy...

And it finally hit me, F*t=m*v=p, all this time you have been talking about momentum and impulse. So are all your ideas based on the concept that the weight should apply itself on one side for a short time and on the other for a long time?

[Georg Künstler]

Hi Jonathan,

I think now you can understand me. Gravity needs time to act !! You need a time difference between left and right side of the wheel. Bessler used a Hit on one side, this is documented.
The hit is very short in time. Look at well balanced too, and jumping up.

[Jonathan]

Yes, I might, but you misunderstood Newton, like I thought. Newton knew of momentum. As to it's use in a wheel, who knows what he knew.

[Georg Künstler]

and now a little toy, to think about. When swinging the stick, and stop it suddenly, as demostrated on oscillation force, we get the following result.
Look at picture 2. It is the result after stopping a swing with a hit.
Up in nearly zero time. Hope that this helps this people who understand that gravity needs time to act.

[Stewart]

Hi Georg

I remember that toy from when I was a kid! If you hold the stick with the paper part facing toward you horizontally and then flick it forward to the vertical position, then the paper shoots straight up. I don't have one of those toys now, but I've just replicated the same effect with a weight sliding on a stick. I know that what you're saying works - I've proved both this and the the setup in "oscillation force" by experimentation. However, I'm struggling with your explanation that gravity doesn't have time to act on the weights - I'm working on it though!

All the best
Stewart

[Sevich]

Hi all,

I'm struggling with your explanation that gravity does'nt have time to act on the weights.

I think what George is trying to say is that the weights don't have time for natural gravity to act and therefore need to use the sling shot effect to turn the wheel and raise the weights with a hit? Regards...Sevich

[Patrick]

Hi all;
I have studied Georg's ideas in depth (among others) and I can honestly say that Georg has truly 'defeated/solved' Bessler's riddle within his own mind. That, in itself, is, in a way, commendable/admirable and for this, I tip my hat to Georg; but at the same time, I must regrettably say that the solution to Besslers' wheel has nothing to do with giving gravity time to work, nor has it to do with a hit with a trouble force nor a tecnic/hit/wall etcetera.
An intuitive solution to a gravity powered wheel is to implement ideas that involve a 'falling weight against the rim' so to speak. The solution I have found (which will be described shortly) while displaying the aforementioned result/evidence actually involves what can best be described as a 'leveraged push-pull circumscribing the axis'. I will try to post details of this solution in the new 'members only' section in the near future.
Good luck to all Bessler enthusiasts.
--Patrick

[Jonathan]

The device works because a high velocity over any reasonable radius results in a centrifugal force strong enough to overcome gravity. The fact that it occurs in a small amount of time is specifically because of the high velocity and the fact that one need only move it through 90 degrees.
However, as to Georg's assertion that it has something to do with time, I have already proved this elsewhere, I think it was in this thread. Given that gravity is a constant acceleration, there are only two ways to get an object to fall faster at a particular point in it's fall path: give it a nonzero, downward veolcity, or increase the height differential between that point and the point it started at. Now in the latter case, since gravity is of finite strength, it will take longer to fall, there by proving that in all cases the amount of time something has been falling for makes a difference in how fast it is going at some point.
Now, the assertion the Georg has made that Newton didn't about this means he must be entirly unfimiliar with this equation:
V=v+gt
Which gives the velocity as a function of the time t, where v is the initial velocity and g is 9.8m/s^2. The equation is simple and is taught in high school physics classes. It holds in all cases where friction is negligible and there are no obstacles to it's falling. I continue to be dumb founded as to how Georg can continue to assert that gravity has something to do with time is a new concept when it has been mathmatically known for 300 years.
Patrick, I look forward to that.

[Georg Künstler]

On an other place on this board i had asked for a name for the eccentric roller coupled with a spring. Some one named it Teeter-tauter in a private post, and I like this name.

Now i like to explain more about this teeter-tauter. As you see in the picture, we can put the weights in any start postion as we like. I am using now the the weights on the left side for easy demostration.

The TT is put on a lever, for thouse who can not see it. The TT is put on the lever, so that the lever is in balance. When we release TT, the TT is rolling sidewards, hope anyone agree.
For math: x=a(t-sin t), y=a(1-cos t ) a=radius, t=omega

So with this side-rolling, the TT is leaving the lever, hope anyone agree.
One side of TT is on the plattform, the other side is still on the lever.

What will happen ? The lever will go down on the right side. But not only that, the eccenterroller tries to roll down, and is pulls the second roller
from the platform, back to the lever again.

We have created a swinging system, someone saying a regauching system, I am saying it is an oscillation system with a trouble force.
All we are talking from the same.

Everyone can test this function on a kindergarten. As I said, millions of model's are existing. The free energy is, what you can put on the platform. The regauching system shoudn't be touched. Gravity loads
the eccenter, like a refill.

This technic works also with different weights in the rollers, and also with different start-energies, in the rollers.

Hope the techic is clear now.

In the next mail i will show ,why i use a hit to transfer the energy.

Merry chrismas and a happy new year

Georg

[Jonathan]

Now this is an interesting idea. Since TommyK has apparently disappeared (hopefully temporary) I will start researching this immediatly, as my own ideas are at a stand-still for the time-being.

[Georg Künstler]

And one formular to discuss:

left side on a wheel = m*g*h = m*g*h on the right side

and now the same with Teeter-Tauter rollers

left side = m*g*h + M * sin wt = m*g*h + M*sin wt = right side

what you can see is, when wt on the left side is different from wt on the right side, you will get a difference !! It will be unequal !!
This will happen because on the teeter-tauter, the downgoing is lifting the other roller. It is a time function.

[Jonathan]

What does M represent? Do you have a working version? I have not been able to get a spring to make one, I've been wondering if I could I use elastic bands with telescoping rods, but I wasn't sure until a minute ago when I looked at the thread "Name Searched", and that looks like what you did(obviously you didn't though), so I don't see why I can't, I'll go start construction.