two different magnetic pmms

[Georg Künstler]

Hi Terry5732,
on which Law's are Lenz Law's based ? Bessler's or ....
I think you know the answer.
You have passed the gate also. Interaction between Gravity and Magnets.
Create a name for such a device.


Best regards

Georg

[Trev]

Hi Georg, I would be interested to see your Hamster wheel design. I have activated my email link so you can send it.
Thanks,
Trev.

[scott]

Better yet... Georg, why don't you let me create a private topic for you on the member's forum?

[carterhaines]

I WOULD LIKE TO STRESS THAT ANY MACHINE INVOLVING MAGNETS IS NOT A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE!!
Magnets require an initial amount of energy (usually quite a lot of it) to make them magnetic. Then, they loose power over time, and loose it much quicker if they are being used. It takes more power to create a magnet that can be extracted form a mechanism powered entirely on magnets, this this cannot be perpetual motion.

[Jonathan]

I guess you haven't seen Thomas Bearden's MEG.

[magnetman12003]

Hi I am new to this forum and wish to build a permanent magnet/gravity motor. My idea was posted on Sterlings free energy site.

The 8 large dark spots illustrated are ring magnets sliding on teflon rods with 2 felt stop pad washers on each rod to prevent impact damage to the magnets. The ring magnets are free to slide within the felt stops. All rods have an equal amount of ring magnets. These rods are equally spaced around and placed through a hexagontal or round drum which turns. The ends of the rods are directed/pointed at a fixed center magnet.

Located in the drum center is a fixed magnet shown with polarity at both ends. It DOES NOT TURN with the drum. It is not attached to the drum. Say we rotate the drum by hand clockwise to start it. The magnets will be attracted and repelled as shown. The left side of the drum will be lighter than the right side of the drum with respect to the drum centerpoint or axis. That is illustrated by the pink marking.

The magnets sliding on the most slippery substance known to man (Teflon). Rods in this case - are only using their energy to shift themselves. Nothing exotic here. The force of gravity does the rest. I relish all comments positive or negative as we can all learn together with collective thinking. Tom Ferko

[jim_mich]

MagnetMan,
Here is a drawing of a permanent magnet/gravity motor which I built. The posts are nylon which is almost as slippery as teflon. The ring magnets were from radio shack. The center magnet was a rare earth type magnet. The spokes were soft steel. The side plates made from plexiglass. The axle was delrin with the rare earth magnet in the middle.

I found that the powerfull center magnet would 'grab' each spoke as it came by and the torque required to rotate past to the next spoke was more than the torque produced by gravity on the ring magnets.

[Jonathan]

I did this too awhile back, and came to the same conclusions as Jim. A distinct difference between ours and Tom's is that his magnet is horizontal, not vertical. That may be important, but looking at the pink line traced by the ring masses, it looks like they follow the same path as a spiral spoked wheel, or an Arabian wheel. See here:
http://www.orffyre.com/mt1-20.html

[jim_mich]

Actually my center magnet was rotationaly adjustable, and ended up about 10 to 15 degrees from straight up and down. I've thought if I could get past the 'grabing' and could get an arrangement where the wheel would rotate freely around the center magnet, then this idea would work. What is needed is some configuration where a magnet slides from one magnetic conductor to the next magnetic conductor with little or no force.

[Jonathan]

In my version, the magnets were at the periphey not the axle, and on one half north was outward, and the other half north was inward. I had the grabbing problem because the periphery wasn't a continuous maget, just a bunch of little ones taped to a frame. I think it may have worked if it were a continous ring magnet, magnetized radially, and having a very digital transition between in and out. Not only would that be hard to get, but I still have my doubts that it would work anyway, it just seems like the energy to lift the magnets at 12 and 6 still comes indirectly from the rotation.

[Kirk]

Since the lift and drop are the same I think the net energy is zero even though the distance to the axle changes. A terrible thought but I think it is true. That makes this whole class of machines a dead end.

Kirk

[Gravmaster2000]

I think it has a better channce if the sliding magnets are put on the outside; of course the control magnets can't be too close together
either... One thing the drawing does not show is the rocking/
angling of the control magnets.... Hmmm.... what if the slide and the control magnets have the same weight? Stops or latches could be added to assist overbalance....I may just try this myself, if my current idea does not work-A PMM with NO magnet movement at all.

Viper