One question

[grim]

Never give up.

[Jonathan]

I noticed that 'they' didn't censor that paragraph, nor disable the link you provided, nor stopped you from finding that link, nor stop that site from being created.

[jim_mich]

Jonathan, get real! Of course 'they' didn't censor that paragraph, nor disable the link provided.

By the way, the article in that 'link' has been copied and spread far and wide on many sites.

[Jonathan]

Which proves my point, that the international conspiracy to supress free energy doesn't exist, or is extremely impractical and not worth the time of those involved.

[John Lindsay]

I do not know what is "really" going on, but you have to understand that disbelief of rumored activities and apathy can be a green light for people in power to do whatever they want. The Nazis knew this quite well. John

[Sevich]

Jonathan wrote

I noticed 'they' didn't censor this paragraph, nor disable the link you provided, nor stopped you from finding that link, nor stopped that site from being created.

Evil that hides behind the curtain of Democracy works hard to make people believe they are free and in control. (Cheese on a mousetrap) Jim_Mich wrote

Jonathan, get real! Of course 'they' did't censor that paragraph, nor disable the link provided.

After a long drought, this good laugh is long overdue!! .....Animation included. :)

[Jonathan]

I agree John, one must watch out for such things. I watch, and I see very very little.
You guys, if there was any conspiracy, they would by definition have to commit acts of conspiracy, such as suppression. As I've said, there are 259000 websites from Google alone on the topic of perpetual motion available to me at the cost of 3 clicks and 27 keystrokes, and many, many of them aren't skeptical. The allowance of this is indicative of a complete lack of suppression. The only suppression that I can see as feasible (as in being hard to detect) is patent suppression, and I know that this hasn't occured to any great extent because I have easy access to many FE patents.

[VergingOnDone]

Yeah but Jonathan JN's device seems to me to be suppressed, I rewatched the show I taped and the circles he had to run around in were stupid to try to "please" the patent / court testing, and when they did test it they didn't do it according to the circuit schematics, and Joe couldn't be present and in the end they confiscated the device. And to top it off any testing they performed in at a cost of upward of $70 k Joe is being billed for.

So seeing his demonstrations around his area on TV, and seeing it actually work tells me there are upper powers taking measures to stop certain devices.

I'm hoping after my bessler replica is finished it won't be dusted under the rug too. :P

[Jonathan]

I don't know anything about JN, but what you've said backs me up, that the only feasible suppression is through patent suppression. And though I haven't seen any good evidence of it, if it occurs it can be easily circumvented by not trying to patent the device in the first place.
The best way for your device to survive is to get the idea out now. If 'they' kill you, and you really have the answer, then there it goes again. I think you are just tempting fate by trying the design, (and maybe patenting it, I don't know what your plan is), instead of just telling everyone.

[jim_mich]

Here is an energy suppression article. I suggest Jonathan read it... http://www.himacresearch.com/docs/energy.html
In this article he only touches on a few of the many devices or ideas which for one reason or another have never made it into production.

Also I suggest Jonathan go back and re-read the WHOLE article I posted earlier as it goes into detail as to the how and why free energy devices are not being made and sold today. Here is the link again...
http://www.himacresearch.com/docs/energy.html

[TommyK]

Hey Jim,

I was reading an article on hydrogen

http://www.motherjones.com/news/outfron ... 75_01.html

and in this one paragraph is a line with an almost too funny Freudian slip.
Wouldn't invested in have been a better choice then locked up?

As hydrogen gained momentum, the oil companies rushed to buy up interests in technology companies developing ways to refine and store the new fuel. Texaco has invested $82 million in a firm called Energy Conversion Devices, and Shell now owns half of Hydrogen Source. BP, Chevron-Texaco, ExxonMobil, Ford, and General Electric have also locked up the services of many of America's top energy scientists, devoting more than $270 million to hydrogen research at MIT, Princeton, and Stanford

[Jonathan]

Once again, in the cases where it does appear to have occurred, it could have been easily avoided if the inventor just gave the information out freely instead of trying to make money directly off it. I say directly because even if you give out the information freely you can still get money through book deals or prizes. I've mentioned that the Nobel Prize comes with a million bucks. Twenty or so years after the device is spread around, the scientific community will finally be dragged kicking and screaming into recognition of the device, and it's quite likely you'll win around then.

[VergingOnDone]

Once again, in the cases where it does appear to have occurred, it could have been easily avoided if the inventor just gave the information out freely instead of trying to make money directly off it. I say directly because even if you give out the information freely you can still get money through book deals or prizes. I've mentioned that the Nobel Prize comes with a million bucks. Twenty or so years after the device is spread around, the scientific community will finally be dragged kicking and screaming into recognition of the device, and it's quite likely you'll win around then.

By then other people will have taken the credit you deserve, you'll be poor and grey and by coincedence you'll die weeks before due credit is served. Aren't I optimistic? Joe Neuman's (again with JN) device has been around longer than 30 years and who has heard of him? He needs a new publicist!!! So like I said, I think not all working devices recieve the recognition they deserve.

I however promise to show a covered wheel in action if and when my wheel is finished / working. I do have confidence in it working because the interaction of transferring the power to the necessary part works like bessler describes, and it will be able to rotate in both directions, I'm trying to find off the shelf parts for most of it, it's more than half built though and some of the seer, or sensor spring parts are hard to come by or think of what to use off the shelf.

And I have made a swf animation showing the parts interacting, but I'm not ready to share that yet. All I can say I wish I had access to a machine shop and steel tubing, and welding stuff. It would make it so fast to build. Dumb wood and bike parts don't do justice, but it's just to see if it definitely works as thought.

[Joel Wright]

And I have made a swf animation showing the parts interacting, but I'm not ready to share that yet. All I can say I wish I had access to a machine shop and steel tubing, and welding stuff. It would make it so fast to build. Dumb wood and bike parts don't do justice, but it's just to see if it definitely works as thought. ................................................................................................Why do I take this personally?I find bike parts, plywood and plumbing pipe quite satisfactorly for building simple experimental wheels.

[jim_mich]

Joel, I find that any means available to test an idea is satisfactory. I have a machine shop in my basement, but many time I don't use it. Last week I bought a set of K'Nex (Jonathan's favorite) to test an idea. I really wanted an old fashion set of wood tinker toys (which Milton Bradly stated making again about 3 years ago) but I could not find any. Sometimes a computer program gets the answer faster.

The main thing is to LEARN from each idea. The more 'feel' for how things work and interact the sooner you will arrive at a workable idea.