Let's Talk About Paulunatics.

[ovyyus]

that's weird Bill is quoting scripture

Winkle, every book contains both useful and useless information. Blind worship and greed aren't the only formula's for picking the difference ;)

[winkle]

Blind worship and greed aren't the only formula's for picking the difference

i am a little puzzled by you're statement could you clarify it a little for simple folk like me
blind worship is a thing invented by morons and preachers or maybe just mornic preachers it's not found in scripture
greed now that's a whole other can of diarrhea worms
i belive greed is a substantial deficiency and does not start out as greed but is the end result a progression of a few other things
may start with envy then to self centeredness or self obsessiveness to love of stuff then to love of money and love of power trying to prove ones worth if only to ones self
however i am sure the progression is different in every greedy soul

i saw a survey a while back about how many people had common sense
turns out according to that survey only 8% of the population have any
at first i couldn't believe that was correct
then i think i began to understand why that % may be true
looks to me like self centeredness or self obsessiveness and common sense would be mutually exclusive


anyway

picking the difference of what

[ovyyus]

Sorry if I puzzled you winkle :)

Are you saying that worship is only for morons and preachers? Perhaps for them the choice between useful and useless is very simple.

Your idea about the cause of greed seems overly complicated. I do think the result of greed often leads to very complicated outcomes though. One example might be the US led invasion of Iraq and all the complicated plans and deceptions, moral justifications and dishonest excuses for it - all in order to control Middle East oil. Same old same old. But isn't greed itself quite simple?

We want more.

The less there is, the more we want, and the lower we will stoop to get it. I wonder how long it will take for us to stoop so low that we become everything that we say we hate. Or has that already happened? I digress :P

[winkle]

Are you saying that worship is only for morons and preachers? I'm sure for tham at least the choice between useful and useless is very simple.

if i correctly understand what you have written i would not disagree
i m no longer pay much attention to what most preachers have to say
most of them are deceivers at best and liars at worst
just consider tithing a very big thing to most preachers
a covenant God made with the Jews
no where in scripture does it tell a gentile to tithe
the best i remember most people in the world are gentiles
and in scripture money was not allowed for tithing
worship in scriptural reference is in the sprit
not in the Sunday go to meetings
it's the inner sprit doing the worshiping not the outward appearance of worship which is phony

Your idea about the cause of greed seems overly complicated.

so you think people are born greedy

it's strange that man is the only animal afflicted with that particular curse

but then man was the only animal to have eaten of the forbidden fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil
i suppose the rest of the animals just live their lives
we men get to chose how crappie we want to be

Blind worship and greed aren't the only formula's for picking the difference

still wondering what you were saying in the above quote

[wikiwheel]

Bill is just quoting a common idiom that masquerades as a law from God, "live by the sword, die by the sword".

Actually the error in interpretation originates with the passage from the Book of Matthew 26:52.

"52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword."

After Judas had betrayed Jesus, a guard came to arrest him, and Peter had drawn a sword and attacked the guard.

My interpretation is that, it is the person who unjustifiably uses deadly force against another who will die figuratively the same way. Here the guard was carrying out the orders of the state, and Jesus had said earlier that the state should be obeyed.

Jesus had defended the temple with physical force. Your body is the "temple of the Holy Spirit". Therefore, using deadly force in self-defense is allowed. The passage above shows Peter using deadly force when he himself was not threatened.

A person who attacks another with deadly force, for no good reason, will be the one who "dies by the sword."

Using deadly force in self-defense is legal and moral. You don't have to wear jack boots to understand that.


Mik


Personally, in my life to date, I have put seven (7.0) people in body bags.

[scott]

OK Mik, I'll bite.

What was your "good reason" for killing 7 people?

Lemme guess, you were a soldier and a man in a suit said it was OK?

-Scott

[ovyyus]

so you think people are born greedy

Yes, sometimes.

it's strange that man is the only animal afflicted with that particular curse

I really don't think man holds any special place in the animal world of greed. Many animal offspring starve and kill each other in the nest over plentiful resources. Wild Chimpanzees embark on murderous raiding parties against local clans over resources and/or territory. We don't seem so special in that regard.

still wondering what you were saying in the above quote

How do you pick the difference between useful and useless information contained in a book?


Mik, the self defence argument is often used to justify all manner of brutal acts. In the case of Iraq, I think it's a lie designed to fool children into seeing their parents as angels.

[coylo]

Mik

Personally, in my life to date, I have put seven (7.0) people in body bags.

Warping the scriptures meaning to justify putting 7(.0???) people in body bags... in my opinion, is something so grave that it can't be left unchallenged.

Sounds like something your brain came up with so that you can sleep at night.

So, if Jesus was attacked by a knife wielding thug, would he snap the guys neck with a nifty martial arts move, nah,... I don't think so!

The "sword" quote, is fundamentally referring to....non-violence, turning the other cheek. It is not open to interpretation, it is what it is!

[Bessler007]

holy fatwa



One day we might romanticize these times the same way the pirates of the Barbary coast are today.

[ovyyus]

monkey business

[Jim Williams]

Ron Paul had a pretty complete say on PBS's NEWSHOUR.

[scott]

He sure did Jim. Here's a link to the transcript, audio, and video of the excellent interview by Judy Woodruff.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics ... 10-12.html

P.S. Great cartoon, Bill. Here's another one of my faves: http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/weblog_entry.php?e=39

You can find a collection of Mr. Fish's wonderful work here: http://www.truthdig.com/about/staff/27