Veljko Milkovic Oscillator

[rlortie]

While doing some mail box cleaning this post popped up, it was written by a contact of mine who is known as "the builder" on the Milkovic forum. It does not necessarily reflect my personal views on the subject.

Ralph, you were doing pretty good!

But in all these types of discussions it is much like trying to explain color to a blind man.
Then of course my favorite,,," you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him think"

You are at a one down disadvantage in that you don't have hands on experience with this. Even I will admit to you that after two years
I don't have the answer. But I will keep on until I do.

So what are most people missing?

The pendulum is an old device, as close to a pm machine as we can get. It has always been build with a rigid structure, to prevent any motion
at the pivot point. It was Veljko that saw that if you could loosen off the pivot point, it will flop up and down and in looking at this movement, understand the theory of the energy released at this point.

As the pendulum falls through the 6:00 position the pivot has to restrain the fall. The whole gravity addition must be contained and diverted
into uphill swing, right? Then at the end of this swing the pendulum bob actually starts to lose weight. Just do the math or experiment...
at about a 120° swing the bob will weigh half it's weight... and at the bottom of the swing it will weigh half as much again.

This is the "force" then, that is on the axle/pivot point. No one before Veljko had ever tried to harvest this "potential energy" in this manner.

If, as Veljiko has done, we fasten the pivot point to a secondary arm and allow this arm to translate this previously hidden energy then the
possibility to extract and utilize this "force" is a possibility. In a grandfather clock the pendulum motion is a very modest 6 to 10° say, but to
generate the most "force" we try for from 120° to 180° of swing. The force is multiplied correspondingly but the DRIVING force is also
increased. Then too as I pointed out in the "botafumeiro" example the motion of the combined pendulum and secondary arm is counter-
productive, in that we are actually dropping the pendulum when to sustain the pendulums motion we should be raising it.

So if we have a 20 Kg pendulum swinging say 120° we have a force of 20Kg's at the pivot point that is relatively cost free, over a short distance.

This is a machine that becomes more practical as the size is scaled up. It might never be proven at small scale.

It will never be proven with bike parts, the lost motion of the ratchet clutch defeats it. One must use a zero backlash indexing clutch.

The motion of the secondary arm is slow and limited, electrical generation is nonexistent at this speed, yet to speed the "force" up 100
times diminishes the torque by 100 times....the end result, friction wins.

But coupled with an invention as postulated by Felix Wüth, such as the "Living Energy" machine....?

Another possibility is the Wilt device...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMb-mab7ad4

I hope I have shed a small ray of light?

Be of good cheer,

(Author name deleted)

PS: you have my permission to post parts, or all of this...

[Wubbly]

Here are some pictures of a Veljko Milkovic Dual Stage Oscillator variant from a several years ago. The pendulum is allowed to rotate 360 degrees. The axle of the pendulum is connected to a pulley, and a belt transmits the movement back to the tail end of the lever. Various pendulum position to lever positions were tried and the movement always dampened out.

[Grimer]

Ralph, you were doing pretty good!

But in all these types of discussions it is much like trying to explain color to a blind man.
Then of course my favorite,,," you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him think"

You are at a one down disadvantage in that you don't have hands on experience with this. Even I will admit to you that after two years
I don't have the answer. But I will keep on until I do.

So what are most people missing?

The pendulum is an old device, as close to a pm machine as we can get. It has always been build with a rigid structure, to prevent any motion
at the pivot point. It was Veljko that saw that if you could loosen off the pivot point, it will flop up and down and in looking at this movement, understand the theory of the energy released at this point.

As the pendulum falls through the 6:00 position the pivot has to restrain the fall. The whole gravity addition must be contained and diverted
into uphill swing, right? Then at the end of this swing the pendulum bob actually starts to lose weight. Just do the math or experiment...
at about a 120° swing the bob will weigh half it's weight... and at the bottom of the swing it will weigh half as much again.

This is the "force" then, that is on the axle/pivot point. No one before Veljko had ever tried to harvest this "potential energy" in this manner.

If, as Veljiko has done, we fasten the pivot point to a secondary arm and allow this arm to translate this previously hidden energy then the
possibility to extract and utilize this "force" is a possibility. In a grandfather clock the pendulum motion is a very modest 6 to 10° say, but to
generate the most "force" we try for from 120° to 180° of swing. The force is multiplied correspondingly but the DRIVING force is also
increased. Then too as I pointed out in the "botafumeiro" example the motion of the combined pendulum and secondary arm is counter-
productive, in that we are actually dropping the pendulum when to sustain the pendulums motion we should be raising it.

So if we have a 20 Kg pendulum swinging say 120° we have a force of 20Kg's at the pivot point that is relatively cost free, over a short distance.

This is a machine that becomes more practical as the size is scaled up. It might never be proven at small scale.

It will never be proven with bike parts, the lost motion of the ratchet clutch defeats it. One must use a zero backlash indexing clutch.

The motion of the secondary arm is slow and limited, electrical generation is nonexistent at this speed, yet to speed the "force" up 100
times diminishes the torque by 100 times....the end result, friction wins.

But coupled with an invention as postulated by Felix Wüth, such as the "Living Energy" machine....?

Another possibility is the Wilt device...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMb-mab7ad4

I hope I have shed a small ray of light?

Be of good cheer,

(Author name deleted)

PS: you have my permission to post parts, or all of this...

Very interesting and constructive post, Ralph. Thanks very much for that.

What is missing is any conception of the effect of the third derivative (Jerk) on the outcome.

The earth reaction introduces an external force into what is otherwise a closed system. The conventional argument about gravity being a conservative force is true because a closed system is assumed but if one opens it by introducing an earth reaction it is no longer true.

It's not surprising this has been missed because it is very difficult to appreciate things which haven't happened. For instance by building the London sewer network Joseph Bazalgette, a civil engineer, cured far more people of horrible diseases than all the London doctors put together. He cured them by preventing them catching disease in the first place.

Your correspondent is pessimistic. I don't share that pessimism because it is clear to me (and I will demonstrate in a later thread) that the Keenie is a cruder and more complicated version of the Milkoviic and there is reason to believe Keenie worked from the historical evidence. Put in another way, the Milkovic has filleted out the essential features of the Keenie and therefore offers a much better prospect of proving the point of principle than the Keenie.

Quickly re-reading the post above it seems to me that the writer completely misses the point. It is not the lower central bit of the swing that provides the free energy. That central swing is balanced by the raising of the hammer and is part of a closed conservative system. By moving the hammer out of contact with the anvil it has closed the system.

It is the two upper arms that are enabling the free energy since this is where the hammer is sitting firmly on the anvil which is providing jerk energy (force times time) from outside the system and like the London sewer preventing the hammer from catching a falling down disease.

[Grimer]

Oops. I've suddenly realised that I've switched threads to one from 2008 so I should also thank Wubbly for having brought it up.

2008 was before my time on BesslerWheel.com so it's a thread I hadn't seen.

[iacob alex]

Hi !
This topic has as a starting point ,this short movie ,at :

www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHln0xczRk8

If we replace his ("common") pendulum ,with a ('general") physical pendulum , at:

http://www.courses.umass.edu/plecprep/waves/3a1510.html

that can be set at different positions , moving at any of the holes ,we can watch new aspects of the oscillatory process.

This can be the first step.

The next step , can be , to introduce an additional oscillation ("wavering"...) , at one end of this physical pendulum.

So,we can move from a double oscillatory system (lever-pendulum ),to a triple oscillatory system (lever-lever-pendulum ).

If we play gravity fall and inertia , only...we have ,in my opinion , a "copy" of the Sun-Earth-Moon natural mechanical continuous motion ...a fractional part (only!) ,from a huge cosmical oscillatory leverage , at :

www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iSR3Yw6FXo (01:44 to 01:51 )

Including the Sun-System is falling in the "next" gravity field and is ruled by inertia.

All the best ! / Alex

[iacob alex]

.....or double oscillatory system , developed into a "triple" oscillatory arrangement , at :
www.geocities.ws/iacob_alex/Some_Drafts/text029.jpg
Al_ex

[Georg Künstler]

Hi Jacob alex,
what is missing is the circle process.

the suggestion which you are making does oscillate but does not create any torque.

Therefor you must temporary stop the movement of the right side on an specific angle to get an overbalance.

[VEMIRC]

Veljko Milkovic's two-stage oscillator with flexible (elastic) pendulum surpasses all rotary devices and is the only free energy machine that has been practically used worldwide.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwlKWcO79J0
https://www.facebook.com/milkovicv

There is a 1,000$ cash award for a counter-argument that the pendulum oscillations are more efficient than any rotations.

There are already the useful machines, bearing the name of Veljko Milkovic, in offer on Alibaba.com, a global retail e-platform.
https://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?fs ... o+milkovic

There is also a new fast pendulum model in the current development demonstrating much better performances.

The sustainable future is bright!

[Tarsier79]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwlKWcO79J0

See the way it moves..... Not even a 2SO. There is clearly an actuator running the top see-saw, keeping the pendulum running. A dodgy video is not proof of anything.

There is a 1,000$ cash award for a counter-argument that the pendulum oscillations are more efficient than any rotations

.
Ill pay you $1000 to prove it is. (if I don't block you first, which may happen on your next post).

[VEMIRC]

NEW VIDEO BY VELJKO MILKOVIC

Veljko Milkovic demonstrates his latest achievements in the field of two-stage oscillator development presenting a new improved model with an elastic (flexible) pendulum and elastic (flexible) lever which is far more efficient than the previous oscillator versions.
This fast and superior model has been significantly improved with elastic oscillations that give a better result with both the pendulum and the lever. The work is still underway on further technical improvements.

This advanced technology is being investigated on all continents. There are now over 500 companies from Southeast Asia that are producing, developing and practically applying the machines based on the principle of Veljko Milkovic’s two-stage oscillator.

New Fast and Improved Two-Stage Oscillator (VIDEO)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wn15yJ9JYY

* English subtitles available in the video player settings *

[VEMIRC]

NEW OFFICIAL VIDEO BY VELJKO MILKOVIC

How to Make a Two-Stage Oscillator More Efficient
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYRZMBw0mGs

* English subtitles available in the video player settings *


IMPROVING THE EFFICIENCY OF THE TWO-STAGE MECHANICAL OSCILLATOR BY USING CERAMIC BALL BEARINGS OR ELASTIC (FLEXIBLE) PENDULUM

Veljko Milkovic demonstrates ways how to make a two-stage oscillator model more efficient.

Based on all independent scientific papers published so far, as well as videos of replicas of the two-stage mechanical oscillator that can be found on the Internet, it is noted that all these mechanisms are constructed using steel ball bearings.
These steel ball bearings are a hidden brake, which is harmful during operation because it reduces the inertia and thus the efficiency of the entire device (this is a harmful phenomenon in the case of oscillations, but not in the case of rotations as well). Therefore, it is recommended to all researchers and engineers around the world to use ceramic ball bearings and an elastic (flexible) pendulum to obtain significantly less friction.

According to their characteristics, ceramic ball bearings have a lower coefficient of friction. In addition, ceramic balls are lighter than steel balls, resulting in less inertia which further improves their efficiency. Adequate selection of ball bearings can significantly increase the efficiency of the oscillator in terms of the duration of oscillations during laboratory or practical tests. This improvement is achieved precisely by reducing friction and inertia, which results in a longer duration of oscillations, thus greater efficiency and lower energy consumption for their maintenance (e.g. in case of maintaining the pendulum oscillation).
Ball bearings are eliminated in the elastic (flexible) pendulum design, therefore less energy is lost in ball inertia and friction, resulting in even greater efficiency.

The two-stage mechanical oscillator and its practical application have been studied all over the world in university centers, institutes and by enthusiasts for 20 years; with 2 doctoral theses (Ph.D. dissertations) published so far [the third one in the final stage], 39 scientific research papers, 5 university graduate theses, 5 papers from different scientific conferences, as well as 10 other papers related to this invention.
https://www.vemirc.com/en/references-citation/

[Tarsier79]

The VMO is not OU. Not one single replication or modification that has managed to close the loop. Making something more efficient might make the efficiency tend towards 100%. OU is anthing over 100.

Using ceramic bearings instead of steel bearings isn't much of an improvement. VM thinks the inertia of a steel bearing is a problem...It isn't. Energy goes into accelerating the inertia. The inertia then has to be decelerated. Inertia adds and takes movement equally. The inertia of the arm and weight is significantly more than the bearing, and enough that the inertia of the bearing can be considered close to 0 in comparison. The only advantage of ceramic is its lower friction if a very high quality bearing is used. Cheap ceramic bearings are garbage. Most steel ball bearings have a higher friction due to their design and intended use.