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[John Collins]

I'm curious to know if anyone thinks there is any potential in designing a system which complies with the idea of parametric oscillation? I am sure that that a swing has the potential to provide rotation, just lookat the kiiking people - it looks so simple.

JC

[justsomeone]

John, You said Bessler was adamant that 5 mech. was used.

You can not say this as fact.

Maybe he liked 5 cups of coffee in the morning.

[DrWhat]

Thanks John, it is the small gradual corrections and clarifications that may lead us to the solution.

[justsomeone]

John, did you spin your wheel, with only one mech. attached, to about 30 to 40 rpms. to see if CF would lock up the long lever?

[rocky]

I see merit John in ALL that you do. Thank you for sharing your idea of Bessler’s secret wheel design. There are many of us who have shared your quest for years. I sincerely believe that Bessler’s secret will be rediscovered and his name cleared in history thanks to you. And there will be a bronze statue of Bessler to honor him in Germany and another statue of you John in your hometown to honor your lifetime of effort in solving the mystery. And I’ll head the fund Scott for a statue of you in Colorado for hosting this forum. :-)

The bob suspended from a pivot looks like the unnumbered drawing (MT 142) on the back of MT 135 page.

I will be breaking out my lead fishing weights and Meccano set and physically testing your ideas John.

One thing I always ask myself before starting a physical machine is:

Will the mechanics perform at the high centrifugal force that Bessler’s Drashwitz machine had running at 50+ rpm?

I see this as a problem in your described design John.
Will the Shifter and Primary levers be able to work at that speed?
Did you do any test mechanisms and manual run the wheel at 40 -50 rpm do check the movement?

For you fellows that run the simulation, what speed do you rotate wheel? Does the software include CF math on the objects?

John, you must have been up late posting it since there are many spelling and grammer errors. Hope you can correct it.

Thanks again for sharing your notes.
-Rocky

[John Collins]

Wow - thank you Rocky, I hope it all turns out as you describe! :-)

I'll work on the spelling mistakes, Rocky I thought I'd caught most of them!

Don't forget,justsomeone, that the Merseberg wheel drawing can be shown to have pentagram concealed in it. I do not know of any reason why he would have done that unless it was show that the wheel was divided into five compartments.

Also the Apologia wheel can also be shown to have pentagram hidden in it and there are also similar geometric arrangements elsewhere.

It seems to me that looking for another reason for including and hiding pentagrams in his drawings other than to tell us that there were five mechanisms in his wheel is to look for a less likely reason than the one I have suggested. Some people have suggested more esoteric reasons for their presence but in my opinion we can apply occams razor to this feature and find the most obvious reason.

But I could be wrong.

JC

[John Collins]

In response to criticisms of my web site at gravitywheel.com, I have re-arranged the frames and the buttons and posted it at www.orffyreus.org

I don't know if it is any better but perhaps some of you will tell me ;-)

JC

[jonnynet]

...But it starts late and is too slow to provide the quick lift required. On my prototype it finished lifting the primary weight after the nine o'clock point.

I fear this is simply because of the fact that the shifter weight can apply its full force not until this position. Remember what I said about the 90 degree angle. My suggestion is to have the shifter weight at 9'o clock while the connected primary weight is at 6'o clock, like my drawing shows. This will solve the problem of speed but also will not make any wheel turn. In this case both weights are moving the same distance. To build a wheel like this you have to use several layers to place the rods, or you use 2 mechanisms only ;-)

[erick]

Wow - thank you Rocky, I hope it all turns out as you describe! :-)

I'll work on the spelling mistakes, Rocky I thought I'd caught most of them!

Don't forget,justsomeone, that the Merseberg wheel drawing can be shown to have pentagram concealed in it. I do not know of any reason why he would have done that unless it was show that the wheel was divided into five compartments.

Also the Apologia wheel can also be shown to have pentagram hidden in it and there are also similar geometric arrangements elsewhere.

It seems to me that looking for another reason for including and hiding pentagrams in his drawings other than to tell us that there were five mechanisms in his wheel is to look for a less likely reason than the one I have suggested. Some people have suggested more esoteric reasons for their presence but in my opinion we can apply occams razor to this feature and find the most obvious reason.

But I could be wrong.

JC

<OR> It's just a coincidence. <OR> You're seeing what you want to see.

I mean no disrespect John, your contributions to our collective cause have been invaluable but your assessment that there are pentagrams in certain diagrams of Bessler's wheels has always seemed somewhat contrived...

E

[John Collins]

Yes that's OK Eric, it is kind of subjective, but how can anyone actually prove they were put there deliberately without the author's input? And the answer is they can't. However I am satisfied that they are there deliberately and whether you accept that or not is entirely your choice, and I have no problem with that.

JC

[broli]

Here's an attempt of animating the mechanism you mention.

[LustInBlack]

John, may I suggest you use my artificial horizon mechanism to accomplish your shifting ?!

It's very very simple and it works pretty well (in sim tho) ..

The only difference between your design and mine, was that I was seeking overbalance instead of pumping, but my design does the pumping pretty well..

Look in my personal forum, everything is there in the thread (my idea of the prime mover) .. It's a simple weight-offset wheel in the main wheel, but many of them linked together will seek the horizon all the time, while actuating an external mechanism..

This could actuate your jumping weight, or use as a supplement of energy for your mechanism ..

[LustInBlack]

I'm designing a new simulation tonight where the longer arm will shift exactly in the center of the wheel, minimizing negative torque...

[Reticon]

wow, thanks broli! Still haven't had time to read through, but an animation is worth a million words. John, how does that compare to your vision? the animation certainly sparks the imagination. Let's hope John's design can spark some reality too. I'm fond of several aspects of this despite my skepticism.

[beapilot]

John,

Thank you for posting. Please provide a side by side still image of your weights moving. The images provided move and makes comparison hard. I would like to measure and test line the images to get a better answer.

Thanks,
Joshua