low friction mechanical roller bearing

[ken_behrendt]

Ralph...

I remember you mentioning that vertically magnetically suspended wheel of yours.

It looks like you are in a unique position to test Alden's hypothesis concerning Bessler's "secret". However, I know from personal experience how very difficult it can be to use magnetic bearings to horizonally suspend an axle.

Surely, if Alden is right, then, if you can horizontally suspend your wheel, even with its low mass, such a nearly frictionless system should produce some degree of self-sustaining rotation in the wheel...

ken

[winkle]

air friction would stop it........wouldn't matter there could be no work produced from it

[rlortie]

Ralph...

I remember you mentioning that vertically magnetically suspended wheel of yours.

It looks like you are in a unique position to test Alden's hypothesis concerning Bessler's "secret". However, I know from personal experience how very difficult it can be to use magnetic bearings to horizonally suspend an axle.

Surely, if Alden is right, then, if you can horizontally suspend your wheel, even with its low mass, such a nearly frictionless system should produce some degree of self-sustaining rotation in the wheel...
ken

air friction would stop it........wouldn't matter there could be no work produced from it winkle

I agree with both of you, air friction and impedance that I believe is called the Burkhousen effect are very noticeable at low rpm.

As for the horizontal suspended axis I have already achieved getting a suspended rod four inches in length to stay in a suspended position and it will spin, unfortunately I have to attach a string to one end to keep it from being attracted to its support yoke or being shot out like a magnetic cannon.
The same concept as for the vertical suspension can be employed. It just needs very fine tuning with opposing magnetic fields centering with attraction fields on each end.

Until I find a need for such a suspension device I am not going to spend a lot of time on it. I am satisfied that I can do it, and right now Jim Kelly and I are wrapped up in our own priorities.

Ralph

[AldenPark]

I hope that you will all have great patience with me and can forgive my many faults (whether real or imagined). I have a large number of responses that I want to make but I have not had time to make. My wife doesn't want to see me "Bessler wheeling" too much ("burning the candle at both ends" or not getting enough sleep), when she knows that I have many other things that need to be done. If I had time, I would fix up my Internet site, but there are higher priority things. Maybe there will be time, some time later. Given my time constraints and given that some appear to not want to see monolithic responses from me, as my words become too confusing, I am trying to deal with things in my best guess priority order. I don't know if I can keep things bite-sized, but we shall see. There is just one of me and I am not doing well parallel processing or multi-tasking in bite-size fashion. Maybe I can increase in my capabilities. I didn't want to deal with the issue of a figure or figures regarding the subject "simplified Bessler pendulum" (especially when I consider that the Orffyrean roller bearing development as higher priority than the simplified Bessler pendulum). But I diverted my attention to the simplified Bessler pendulum drawing(s) situation and hopefully I can soon be ignoring that situation for a while. I was kind of hoping that people would reconsider things and the questions or problems would just evaporate. Maybe it is pay-back-time for my asking too many questions when I was a student. I understand that you can't save up questions until the end. All that I can ask is that you are patient with me and I will hopefully address things and that by our efforts and the efforts of others, the Bessler wheel will eventually come forth, when the Orffyrean roller bearing comes forth. If I later address things that have in the mean time became clear, then I am sorry (you will just need to forgive my slowness).

My highest priority is currently to ask the following question. Has anyone found any (I,J,K) simulation/mathematical solutions for J=6 Orffyrean lobes on the intermediate rollers? I wrote of such (I,J,K) potential possibilities in my 2001 paper (see pages 47 and 48). I think that more than 6 of such intermediate rollers should fit between the two Orffyrean cylinders (inner Orffyrean axle cylinder and outer containing Orffyrean cylinder). How many will fit without interfering? I think that an even number would be desirable. At the time of my paper, I did not realize that the Orffyrean lobes (and holes) needed to be portions of spheres. I had not realized that a checker board pattern of lobes and lobe holes is likely the proper solution. I don't have time for now to discuss why that is currently a priority for me but maybe later. I think that I/J needs to be an integer and K/J needs to be an integer to help minimize the spreading of defects. I and K thus need to both be even. I<=K The equality is to address the planar solution, which we can currently ignore. The radius increase factor, F may be somewhere in the vicinity of 40/35.

I think my next priority is to go back and more carefully read/reread responses on this subject and make some prioritized responses. AEP

[AldenPark]

I am commenting on the post Fletcher Sat Jul 23, 2005 11:46 pm, post subject: re: low friction mechanical roller bearing, page 1. Thank you for the interpretation. Here are some of my extra comments. Sorry about my wordiness. I sometimes try hard to make fine or subtle points and I can't easily figure out how to say them with fewer words. (1) The masses need not be preferentially located near the circumference of the wheel, as the rotational kinetic energy that I think we are leveraging off of (of greatest interest with respect to extracting energy from gravity) is not the rotational kinetic energy of the mass "point" with respect to the center of the wheel but rather rotational kinetic energy of the mass "point" or rather nucleus with respect to its own nuclear center. In other words, if we have two nuclei of the same mass and they are each rotating at the same angular speed about horizontal axes going through their own centers, then they will each tend to pick up the same extra energy from gravity, without regard to their position or even translational speed, with respect to the center of the wheel. This means practically that one might as well (and should) fill the Bessler wheel solidly with as much mass as possible outside of the bearing (assuming that it doesn't overstress the bearing), as the more interior mass points (within the wheel) being added tend not to increase air drag (but they provide more power from gravity). One should recall that Bessler said that the appearing wheel does not have a normal rim, which I interpret as it does not get its extra energy externally from its edges (as one might speed up a normal wheel) but rather deeply internally from all the similarly horizontally rotating interior "points" within, as they interact with gravitons. (2) Even at very small angular velocities, there should be extra energy produced from gravity. The extra energy will accumulate (I think if the friction including that in the constraining bearing is small enough). This is perfectly consistent with the Bessler wheel observations. Bessler's critical angular speed for say the Kassel wheel was very small. (3) Bessler might have also done some mechanical storing up of energy (from previous times that the wheel was producing power) for purposes of wheel starting. (4) One should only build a simplified Bessler pendulum after the Bessler wheel problem is solved as the torque governor wheel needs to be a Bessler wheel (which is where the extra energy come from in a simplified Bessler pendulum). Building a Bessler wheel is thus a higher priority problem, which in my mind primarily means to build a very low friction, high load capability, unlubricated mechanical roller bearing.

[AldenPark]

I am commenting on the post Jonathan, Location: Ivory Tower, Az, Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 4:08 am, Post subject: re: low friction mechanical roller bearing, page 1. That seems like a quite reasonable analysis. Thank-you. I should say that the torque governor wheel needs to be a mobile Bessler wheel acquiring energy from gravity. That is where the extra required energy comes from. I currently think that the simplified Bessler pendulum (symbols aside) is in essence an analysis tool to be used after the Bessler wheel itself has been developed.

General comment. I appreciate the responses from people, even in cases where it is not clear that I am being understood well enough, as it shows that people are trying. I imagine some of my ideas are so subtle that they are (for me sometimes) difficult to express (even if I think they are obvious) and (for others sometimes) difficult to grasp. My understanding of things has changed with time. I am not trying to be antagonistic in my responses but hopefully making clearer the ideas that I would hope eventually get across. I suppose that that is the whole idea of these forum discussions (that I am very appreciative to Scott for) so we can discuss and exchange ideas for our mutual benefit and hopefully solve the Bessler wheel problem along the way. If anyone feels that I am ignoring them, I am sorry about that. I may just be constrained and may do later reconsideration. I may figure that the situation is being adequately addressed elsewhere.

[AldenPark]

I am commenting on my own post AldenPark Sun Jul 24, 2005 7:01 am, post subject: re: low friction mechanical roller bearing, page 2. There may be problems regarding trying "an experiment in space of orienting a cylinder with a stable principal axis so that that axis is horizontal and then rotating it a little". One might want to do it at noon or midnight with the sun, moon, and earth aligned. The order should not matter. Then the condition of the axis being perpendicular to the line of those bodies might be more easily met. Whether the gravitons are going up or down, wouldn't matter as long as the "wheel" rotation axis is perpendicular to the direction of travel for the gravitons. Even then if there is not some type of constraint (as with Bessler's roller bearing) the gravitons from say planets (or who know's what else) may be of concern with respect to motion perturbations. One would just need to do the experiments. I don't know if an astronaut rotating a coin with a dot or line showing on a side (for viewing purposes) would be sufficient but I suppose that it would be worth a try, even at other times (and moon phases) as long as the coin's stable principal axis of rotation is perpendicular to the plane formed by the earth, the moon, and the sun. The coin should best lie in that plane when the experiment is done. I suspect that a larger coin should work better, as air drag would be less of a problem. Doing the experiments out in the vacuum of space would be better but more difficult experimentally. I imagine that Bessler noticed some slight effects of the sun and the moon on the performance of his wheels. Do we have any historical evidence for this (such a performance increase near noon or midnight if his axes were north-south, or not much of a performance change if his axes were east-west)? Did he have a preferred orientation for the axes of his wheels? He attributed gravity as the source of power for his wheels. (Collins p. 194?)

Also, I found references in Collins' book to things related to smashing his wheel (for example see p. 34, 41, 42, 60) but I could not find a reference to burning his wheel. Smashing would have focused people's attention on the wheel and diverted attention away from the special roller bearing. Maybe the wood from the wheel would have been needed to be burned incidentally and privately (for the real purpose of melting down Orffyrean character metal types). What else would one do with smashed up wood anyway than to haul it away and burn it? Maybe Bessler was playing up the smashing of the wheel and downplaying or hiding the burning of the wood so as to maybe let him use some bellows for "unrelated" private work on his "printing" equipment.

[AldenPark]

I am commenting on the post ME Sun Jul 24, 2005 1:30 pm, post subject: re: low friction mechanical roller bearing, page 2. Sorry about the big portions. I can try to improve. I did not mean to imply that any nuclei were traveling quickly. They are traveling with normal translational speeds.

I think that the nuclei in Bessler's wheel have slight internal angular speeds but they are generally rotating with essentially the same slow rotational speeds as Bessler's wheel. But they do have such slight internal rotations and this is a typically ignored subtlety, that I don't think Bessler ignored. One can think of Bessler's "great herd of fat, lazy, plump horses" (Collins p. 225) wandering aimlessly and each slowly rotating with nearly the same identical angular speed of the whole herd, as the whole herd slowly rotates very slightly around. I am sure that Bessler was well aware of these ‘fat, lazy plump "horses"' within matter and that he did not ignore them. If it were OK for Bessler to consider them, it should be OK for us to consider them. These considerations apply for even the smallest of wheels as we might consider with forming snowflakes. "Snow falls." (Collins p. 225)

I think that if Bessler could make his own durable and precise printing equipment, then he could make an Orffyrean roller bearing. I think it was within his reach. He would have had to line the surfaces of his cylinders with a checkerboard pattern of his Orffyrean characters (lobes or lobe holes). That would have been within his reach as he was "successively a Cleric, a Doctor and finally a Mathematician" (Collins p. 24).

[AldenPark]

I am commenting on the post Vic Hays Location: Montana, Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 2:45 pm, Post subject: re: low friction mechanical roller bearing, page 2. Thank you but I believe I got help (in part, the same sort of help that Bessler got). I hear you but the same Bessler wheel underlying phenomena can account for a great many "unexplained" things such as light from sun (without neutrinos which are oddly missing anyway, as if the sun were turned off), energy appearing out of nowhere in solar corona, relatively cool sunspots, and how snowflakes acquire energy to rapidly rotate. A lubricationless, mechanical roller bearing, if constructed right, could have far lower friction properties than the normal and so would allow a normally unobservable phenomena to be observable. See Christopher's experiments, p. 64 of my paper.

[AldenPark]

I am commenting on the post bluesgtr44, Location: U.S.A., Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 3:30 pm, Post subject: re: low friction mechanical roller bearing, page 2. A heavy well balanced wheel rotating about a horizontal axis would have power sources coming from each of the internally rotating mass points within the wheel because of their interactions with gravity.

The pendulum device requires a mobile Bessler wheel. Though not visible, I suspect it was behind the strangely invigorating dream that Bessler was shown which might explain why it appears disguised in MT13 and I think there are references to it in his writings. One should for the time being take it to be an interesting analysis tool after the Bessler wheel is built (for analysis of energy/angular momentum being propagated across the circle and the measurement of internally rotating nuclear cooling times). It is symbolic and associated with his name coding, but pragmatically it may be ignored for now. It was initially a conceptual or motivational tool and I think it will later serve as an analysis tool. It requires at least two Orffyrean roller bearings. One at the stationary pendulum center and one at the center of the torque governor wheel.

[AldenPark]

I am commenting on the post rlortie. Location: Stanfield Or., Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 11:29 pm, Post subject: re: low friction mechanical roller bearing, page 2. You are quite right. I don't have any Orffyrean roller bearings to show you. I was hoping that they would come forth with cooperative efforts. If people don't want to cooperate in bringing them forth that is up to them, but I suspect that there will be people who will eventually find the mathematical solutions and others who will implement those mathematical solutions. I don't want to claim any title of inventor as I believe that Orffyreus is the true mortal inventor though I think he had much help from the Lord. I believe that Bessler left us much evidence after the fact that he was the true inventor. How do I view my roll in this? I believe that I have received many things from the Lord to help assist in the effort. I think that it is the Lord who is the ultimate source of all inventions. If I can in some small way be of assistance in bringing forth the Bessler wheel, then I need to properly give credit to the Lord. Despite my weaknesses, pride, many faults, I think that I have received much help from the Lord in bringing forth this thing that I think that the Lord wants to be brought forth. I can not easily show you revelations, gentle promptings, and gentle admonitions (when I was taking a wrong path) from the Lord to help direct my study, but I will tell you of a message I received from my older brother in our childhood, that I didn't really understand very well until recently.

I remember about 40 or so years ago when I was a child, my older brother said something at night in his sleep. This was the only time that I recall him walking in his sleep but what made it unusual was that he said something to me and it seemed to be a highly unusual thing. He was standing up in our boys' bedroom and said something that sounded like "Turn the turner." I think that he then repeated the entire expression to me in a much lower voice. I asked him, "Turn the what?" I didn't get a response to my question. He didn't appear to have any awareness of me. He just went to bed. Later, when he was awake, he did not remember saying that to me. It seemed to be a most unusual expression for him to say. I suppose he was dreaming as he was sleepwalking. I at that time had no idea what he was talking about. I was clueless as to the meaning of the message, but it stuck with me for some reason and maybe it caused me to pay a little more attention to turning things though. Maybe God was sending me a message through my brother that I was supposed to somehow help "Turn the turner", which is what I am attempting to assist in doing now. I think that through my older brother, the Lord about 40 years ago planted the seed of an idea that somewhere there was a turner that needed to be turned. I may be way off base but an expression like "The turner turns." could be added to Bessler's other expressions like "A driver drives. A runner runs. The seer sees. The buyer buys." (Collins p. 225) The Bessler wheel turns as it is given additional turning kinetic energy within itself to increase its turning speed. The energy comes from all the mass "points" within the wheel itself as the driving ability comes from within the driver itself, and the running motivation and energy comes from within the runner to run, as the seer has capability within himself (or herself) to see, and as the buyer decides within himself (or herself) to buy. All of these situations get help from God though. Please note that I think that Bessler had the ability of writing on many symbolic levels simultaneously so these are not the only interpretations. By the way, I have an ancestor Frank Everett Turner, and my wife thinks that the "Turn the turner." expression has more to do with meaning "...turn the heart of the father to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, ..." (See in Malachi 4:6.) Many times when one deals with things of God, there can be multiple things that can and should be considered properly. "Turn the turner. Turn the turner." would be two identical single level chiasms (assuming that it is possible to have a single level chiasm) (though one was audible and the other mumbled or faded). At the middle of each was the indefinite article "the" that takes on a prominence. I was apparently given an assignment from the Lord that I wasn't clever enough to realize for about 40 years that I was even being given an assignment, until I was doing the assignment. I don't think that the Lord intended to make me fully aware that I had an assignment until I was actually doing the assignment but the words from my older brother did help (in some small degree) generate a very slight curiosity regarding turning things. I didn't think of myself as being especially religious, though in looking back on things I had a number of unusual experiences that I won't go into now but showed that I then had great faith. Did the words come from the adversary? I don't think so, since I have seen opposition from the adversary almost every step of the way in the coming forth of the Bessler wheel (or even the simplified Bessler pendulum). I think that the adversary would rather have us energy bound, thinking bound, and symbol ignorant. I think he has had remarkable success doing so except among those (say inventors, new energy researchers, students, etc.) paying attention to the things that have come forth or are coming forth from the Lord (whether through ancient or modern prophets).

So in summary, what hard evidence do I have for the Orffyrean roller bearing? Aside from revelations, promptings of the Holy Ghost, gentle admonitions from the Lord, evidence of synthesis of physical thought, writings/drawings of Bessler, and a possible assignment from God to assist in bringing it forth, I have little or no "hard" evidence. I have asked if people have come up with the mathematical solutions that should pave the way for it coming forth. I would not ask for mathematical solutions if I had an Orffyrean roller bearing in hand. I could just tell you all the solutions that I am aware of and ask if people are aware of other solutions. There may exist simple obvious in hindsight (I,J,K) solutions but I am currently unaware of them. If I had an Orffyrean roller bearing in hand, then (right or wrong) I maintain that the Bessler wheel problem would be solved. I do not have an Orffyrean roller bearing in hand and I have not solved the Bessler wheel problem. If people only want to wait until I produce hard evidence for it, then the 300th anniversary of the coming of the Gera wheel may come and go and they still may be waiting for me to produce. I have been hoping for cooperation of people bringing forth their complementary skills and strengths that they may happen to have, to solve the portions of the problems that they are aware of. I don't think that "inventor" is appropriate for me but I am hoping to serve as some sort of motivator in getting the process going. If people have other classes of solutions or insights that I don't have or I am not aware of, then I think that that is great. Let's just get the show on the road. I am hoping that I can just fade into the background as the Bessler wheel comes forth (as there will no longer be a need for a motivator to solve the solved problem) but until then, I may need to boldly continue to advocate unusual but simple thinking on the subject so that we can see the Bessler wheel begin to turn.

Solutions. Speaking of solutions (traditional after the fashion that I think Orffyreus came up with at least one solution), when someone is reporting a solution to the (I,J,K) situation, I would recommend that a reported solution contain Ni = the number of intermediate cylinders, Rc = the effective radius of the boundary between the containing outer cylinder where it effectively touches the intermediate cylinders, Ra = the effective radius of the boundary between the center axial cylinder where it effectively touches the intermediate cylinders, and Ri = the radius of each effective intermediate cylinders. By effective, I would naively assume that Rc = Ra + (2 Ri) and that the centers of the intermediate cylinders travel around with an effective radius of approximately (Ra + Ri). If we remove the condition I/J being an integer and K/J being an integer, then there might be more solutions possible, with such an expanded potential solution space (though defects could spread more easily). If we remove the likely condition J=6, then there might be more solutions possible. Has anyone found any solutions? I haven't worked much on the problem. AEP

[AldenPark]

I am commenting on the post bluesgtr44, Location: U.S.A., Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 12:44 pm, Post subject: re: low friction mechanical roller bearing, page 2. If we temporarily ignore the pendulum (until after the Bessler wheel problem is solved) and if we only consider one of the interpretation levels regarding the Bessler wheel problem itself, then we could consider on that interpretation level, the driver (or chiastically Jupiter, see page 225 of Collins) being the largest containing cylinder of the bearing (whose lobes and lobe holes are on its interior surface but outside of which the wheel outside of it has many mass points which receive great extra driving energy from gravity), the runner (or chiastically Mars, see page 225 of Collins) is typified by one on the small intermediate cylinders, and the buyer (or chiastically Saturn, see page 225 of Collins) is the axial cylinder (whose lobes and lobe holes are on its exterior surface) bears the burden.

It is my belief that there is no lubrication. If I am wrong, I am wrong. A liquid lubricant creates surface tensions at the lubricant boundaries. If that is not reason enough, my son, Christopher's 1-2 March 2001, science fair project "Toward an Orffyrean Roller Bearing: Don't Lube It" (see p. 64 of my paper) provided evidence why one would not want to apply a liquid lubrication. The experiments may have been rather primitive with cylindrical cans rolling within other cylindrical cans without slipping, but the evidence confirmed his hypothesis.

[AldenPark]

I am commenting on the post, bluesgtr44, Location: U.S.A., Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 7:36 pm, Post subject: re: low friction mechanical roller bearing, page 2. The wheel angular velocity saturation point depends upon the total friction or power being removed from the wheel/system.

Regarding initially starting a wheel using a power extracting or loaded axle, I don't know what to say about that. It sounds like a tough situation. Maybe some energy was previously mechanically stored up from prior times of high power production. As to how so, I couldn't say specifically.

The bearings themselves are not the "force". They only enable the phenomena to be observed. I think that any sort of reaction within the bearings would after 54 days have exhausted itself (even if they were low energy nuclear reactions, but I don't think that that was what was going on in the bearings). The horizontally rotating wheel gets its energy from itself through the interaction of gravitons increasing the turning of each mass "point" within. That is where the force or torques come from. The torques are vast numbers of minuscule torques applied at I think down within the atom. Individually the small torques on the horizontally rotating nuclei might be ignored by the "wise" but collectively they are quite significant and so they might confound the wise (Alma 37:6).

Picture. So far the best guess "picture" of the bearing that I have is to look at my front figure. Look where the black circle is surrounded by six smaller black circles and six white filled circles. Remove the six white circles as they are just "air" space. For this larger black circle surrounded by six touching black circles, call the center one an axle cylinder and call the surrounding six black circles intermediate cylinders and there would be a larger containing cylinder (not shown) around all the seven cylinders (which just touches the six intermediate cylinders). I suppose that there should be more than six intermediate cylinders to provide more support. All the cylinders would have Orffyrean lobes and holes on their surfaces (which I have are not shown, but I made an attempt within the front figure at how one might begin to draw such things) which then could be arranged according to a checkerboard pattern. The Orffyrean lobes and lobe holes could have been attached to the surfaces of the cylinders in whatever manner Bessler used to attach his type fonts to cylinders for doing close packed Courier-like printing. I don't know what his method of attachment was. I do not know if the radii of the cylinders that I showed are part of a correct solution. I was hoping for help from others regarding that.

[AldenPark]

I am commenting on the post rlortie, Location: Stanfield Or., Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 8:30 pm, Post subject: re: low friction mechanical roller bearing, page 2.
Ralph Lortie,
I think that your construction of a vertical axis magnetic suspended wheel is just great. You obviously have many mechanical capabilities that I do not yet have. I commend you for your efforts. I hope that you keep up the good work. I am lacking in that department and need to acquire such mechanical capabilities.

Yes, I would hazard a guess that if you create a stable enough horizontal rotational axis (so that it does not go into unstable oscillations), then it would spin for a very long time, even picking up angular speed, but it will need to have large enough solid mass in the wheel and it would probably need to be in a stable principal axis configuration (thin cylinder (or rather well balanced circular plate) of large radius with as much mass as the magnetic bearings can support with stability). I see no reason why the magnetic field axle suspension should interfere appreciably with the gravitons. That would be wonderful if you were to do that. The circular plate might need to be thick enough so that there is little interference with the relatively low density nuclear ground states in the air. I would be concerned about safety though. I would imagine that there would need to be a braking system. You would not want a runaway wheel on your hands. It could be highly dangerous! Given an "effective" magnetic bearing constraint, with say an east-west rotational axis, you may or may not need to do the experiments at noon or at midnight during a full or new moon, so that the gravitons travel perpendicular to the stable rotating horizontal axis of the wheel. It depends on the effectiveness/stability of the axis constraint. See my notes regarding space experiments (posted Wed 10 Aug, 2005 9:17 pm, page 3, in commenting on my own Sun Jul 24, 2005 7:01 am post). Influence of planets? Again please plan a safe method of braking in case you start to have a runaway wheel. You must safely stop it or slow it down before it is allowed to become highly dangerous! The rotational kinetic energy of a runaway wheel would be unbounded, that is until it pulls itself apart and throws itself outward in the plane of its motion. Please be careful.

I am glad that you are not overly concerned about any consensus. What is popular may not be right at all. You certainly don't need my permission to go about doing the good work of the Lord. Just do it. Keep up the good work. Maybe you will be one of the first to practically demonstrate the turner turning. If so, I would like to be one of the first to congratulate you ahead of time.

I don't want to debate with you about anything, if I can avoid it. I don't know that there is anything to debate about. If there is any outstanding challenge or if there are any outstanding questions or concerns, please restate it or them. If I am wrong about something, just tell me and preferably give a reason why, so that I can consider it or them and make changes where appropriate. Is there anything that you consider me to be ignoring? I would much rather have you for a friend than an enemy.

It is taking me a very long time to go back through and make comments (time that I do not have much of). If I appear to be ignoring someone or something, then I am sorry. If I don't make responses for a long time, please understand that I have constraints. I may not be ignoring someone. Maybe in my mind the answer is obvious or answered elsewhere or I am just not clued into what is going on.

I have not been able to keep up with the reading or responding. I may just have to go along at a very slow rate of reading and responding. Alden Park

[bluesgtr44]

Just a note to let you know I'm still here, Mr. Park. A bit of a hectic work schedule lately and have not had the time to digest this stuff yet. I have done a WM2D drawing I will post to see if it is in the ball park of your bearing idea. At work right now and....well, most of you know the rest.


Steve