Wheel vs. lever...

[iacob alex]

....in my opinion ,can be a dilemmatic choice,decision to imagine a possible gravity motor.

I can add even more:one of them, can be an obstructive,blocking up way of thinking regarding our thing intended.

Why?

Because the most important resource,is impetus m*v=m*g*t ,or the "free falling TIME".

As a matter of fact,for a repetitive device (weight-counterweight in a continous unbalance/torque difference on the same side of the fulcrum),we can use an acceleration a<<g ....,so the falling time (and size,shape) must be maximized.

Regarding kinetic energy,we must consider the nonlinear development of the impetus (due to unbalance),or 1/2m*v*v =1/2m*a*t*a*t...so the time becomes a decisive factor.

Now,how about the shape and the size?!

All the best! / Alex

[iacob alex]

.....can be a kind of dilemmatic "qvo vadis" (Where are you going?).

As I said,starting this topic : "...is a simple face to face inquirer about the compatibility and usefulness of a concept in relation with the topic of this forum".

It's not so difficult to do things,but it requires a great strength to decide on what to do.

You know,Napoleon said that "The only one who is wiser that anyone is everyone".

All the best! / Alex

[Rafael Ti]

Hi Alex
In my opinion lever is always a key for workable wheel. This is strange, but some people just can't get that two masses put on a lever on both sides of it, are no longer two masses. They become ONE mass with common/one centre of gravity. The same if we think of multi-leverage with a number of weights. So .. even if our weights are 10 kg each - those on rising side are lighter than the opposite ones. Due to leverage.
Also I don't believe we can utilize centrifugal forces or inertia. Centrifugal force, mass and rpm, are tied very closely /mass is a function of inertia/. If we try to utilise centrifugal we loose mass or rpm.. Inertia is rather enemy, than friend.
The other key is simplicity... :)
For now I have two reasonable projects to do;
First - 6 spokes, 5 weights, chain, gearing lever.
Second - 8 spokes, 8 weights, guides/tracks on rising side oh wheel - classic;).

Regards

[iacob alex]

Hi Ti !

As we know,in mechanics ,lever is the first simple machine...or "key" in your expression.

About inertia,rotation,centrifugation it's your choice how to handle them.

I understand that you have some projects with many spokes( 6,8...)...I wish you success !

The meaning of this topic was quite this :how many spokes?!

A lever can be seen as a "minimal wheel"(two opposite spokes)...but it seems the designs with a greater number of spokes are more attractively ...

All the best! / Alex

[iacob alex]

.....are two starting conceptual ways to begin our game with gravity , so to take out "fresh" cosmic energy.

Let's compare two quasi non-moving wheel:

-a small size one, at : www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rgp6gcSaF2Y
(resembling to Bessler's MT13...on paper)

-a big size one , at : www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qwk6ky2hV4

.....and an impressive (and likely to succeed , if evolved in some manner...) lever , "somehow moving" , at : www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1cKWIAFT0I

Al_ex

[iacob alex]

.....playing unbalance :
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iPkqL6swSnQ ...but where is the lever?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bkFwjkUoPPQ ...but where is the free fall ?
So , what are we talking ( testing...) about ?!
Al_ex

[rasselasss]

Therein lies the problem for many here,to realise that only a "small"movement is required from the epicentre to "create"and thus a small movement to "return",continuous movement is then guaranteed...as you state simple ,not complication Alex....Good Luck.

[iacob alex]

.....or playing gravity with a wheel concept, as :
www.energythic.com/view.php?node=264
.....vs. playing gravity with a lever concept , as :
www.geocities.ws/iacob_alex/Some_Drafts/text021.jpg
www.geocities.ws/iacob_alex/Some_Drafts/text022.JPG
.....or , why not ?...your proposal/model...!?
Al_ex