An infamy: the Bessler secret discovered by a troll?

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re: An infamy: the Bessler secret discovered by a troll?

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christo4_99 wrote:How many of you want me to profess it here if I do have a working principle?
A working principle is a principle that actually works. A working wheel is a wheel that actually works. If the principle has not yet been proven to actually work by building a working physical model then it is NOT a WORKING principle.
From the BessleWiki:
A working wheel would be a perpetual motion wheel that once set in motion continues to rotate while outputting usable rotational torque until physically stopped or the components wear out.

A perpetual motion wheel that is only a concept on paper or in a computer simulation is not a working wheel.
Wheels that are still in the concept or idea stage of development should never be referred to as "working". To do so is deceitful and dishonest.

Discussing proposed ideas and concepts are very welcome and desirable. Bring them on. Most everyone has an idea or concept that interests them. But do not refer to them as "working" unless you are discussing how their components are expected to function. For instance, you could say, "The working principle behind this concept is ....". Just don't ever claim that you have found Bessler's secret or that you have a working wheel before it has been proven true. Doing so is dishonest, deceitful and makes you a liar.


Just my opinions.

PS. I absolutely hate liars. This world would be a much better place if people did not lie. Everyone has the right to privacy and thus does not need to explain or divulge all facts. But statements of fact should never contain false information. This is the fine line that Bessler walked. He never divulged certain facts. And as far as I know he never lied about his wheel, though most of the world thinks he was a fraud and a liar.


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Jim said:
''PS. I absolutely hate liars. This world would be a much better place if people did not lie. Everyone has the right to privacy and thus does not need to explain or divulge all facts. But statements of fact should never contain false information. This is the fine line that Bessler walked. He never divulged certain facts. And as far as I know he never lied about his wheel, though most of the world thinks he was a fraud and a liar.''...
... and I would like to undersign together, even if overall I avoid hating! Truly!
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Timothy wrote:Christo4:Is it your belief that you are "channeling" Bessler?
not at all,i don't believe in ghosts.i just feel that i have come too far in this direction to be denied the design.

back to honesty.last night i came up with an idea of a similar design to what i have have shown previously and the one here in this thread.i am not committed to any design.but i can say that what has been pictured so far is very close to it's basic configuration.
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I'm glad that you decided to come 'back to honesty'!
This msg is of sure a deny to all your previous assertive.
Good! Better in this way! Pls keep honest!
I do believe in inspiration, but as a part of a conquest not as a gift - so you have my wise to 'keep walking'!
(of sure, you should choice to share your adventures after reaching ground again, and not during the so uncertain process of a clue following.)
Take care!
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Pathfinder...PM sent. a lie is only a lie if someone doesn't make good on what they say.What's the time limit on that? ;)
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Due to my most recent conjecture i have been advised to refrain from any further discussion of my interpretation of the above images or design suggestions..."if you ever want to receive any credit or make any money from your efforts.",is how it was put to me.I apologize to this board for making a fool of myself insofar as it disturbed or hurt anyone as that was not my intentions.My intentions were good in that i intended to bring to this board validation of not only mine but all efforts to solve this mystery and/or to discover a/and/or Bessler's working principle for Perpetual Motion.As the Bible says,"the road to Hell is paved with good intentions" which to me simply means that no matter the intentions the presentation will always be tainted with human error."To err is human,to forgive is divine" comes to mind.Also Bessler's reference to "Do you still not understand?" comes to mind because therein,IMHO,is an admission that he realized out his own mouth issued his failure to promote his discovery in a more subtle way to those who may have been more interested in it had he not been such a rash individual.
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Christo4 wrote:

"Pathfinder...PM sent. A lie is only a lie if someone doesn't make good on what they say. What's the time limit on that?"

Forgive me for answering, since it was addressed to PF.

If one says, "I have done it" then the time limit is immediate.....now!

If one says, "I will do it" then the time limit is generous.......up until you leave this earth-----at which point it may be said, "Well, he didn't do it, did he?"
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christo4_99 wrote:."if you ever want to receive any credit or make any money from your efforts.",is how it was put to me.
Who said that ?
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I am done on this board.PF although your technical prowess is great you are still failing to see the simplicity of the concept.Ralph i have decided that since you think i am autistic to take that as an insult...since it is not true and go it alone.I am not the problem.i will not own that.Scott please delete my membership here.
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Ealadha wrote:Christo , who 'advised' you ?
I Ralph Lortie suggested to him that he not post for 48 to 72 hours to let the forum mull over and catch up with his last drawing titled 'Is this better'.

I also suggested that it would give time for members to add input which may or may not be innovative to/for him. Without saying so I also figured that it would cool the fires of insult that were being profoundly laid upon him.

We also discussed his social behavior since first posting on this forum, he did not like the word I used as an example fitting his communication skills.

Now if you wish to know the word I used it was 'autism' meant to be interpreted as egocentricity. Something a lot of well known famous people were known to be endowed with!

And yes it was I who told him verbally, not in these exact words; 'refrain from any further discussion of his interpretation of the above images or design suggestions..."if you ever want to receive any credit or make any money from your efforts.

My intent was to impress upon him to quit posting new ideas before the previous ran their course, which appears to be of no avail.

Now I put myself in the barrel, as I have done before and yu-all can treat me like the redneck I am and jump on me"... I reiterate, I have broad shoulders and do not mind a little stomping once in a while.

Just trying to be a little help for someone I felt needed someone to confide in!

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..as I understand it

...the workman is worthy of his wages..

having had your help on several occasions....I for one will not be jumping on your back.

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where man meets science and god meets man never the twain shall meet...till god and man and science sit at gods great judgement seat..a tribute to Bessler....kipling I think
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christo4_99 wrote:I am done on this board.PF although your technical prowess is great you are still failing to see the simplicity of the concept.Ralph i have decided that since you think i am autistic to take that as an insult...since it is not true and go it alone.I am not the problem.i will not own that.Scott please delete my membership here.
Christo,
Don't feel to bad. I have been called retarded among other things for what I am working on.
And have gotten little respect for all the open builds I have done. Like doing builds of Bessler's drawings is considered stupid as they are non-runners. Yet doing that did give me a lot to think about as well as other builds I did. It does help to study the dynamics of motion.
And that's why I'm building.
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.8,
have you some to share with us?
Better you have, the more 'some people' will beat you!
The higher beat level you'll get will be '100% ignoring'.
Worst of all will be if you ask for genius status and green dots without showing any stuffs - just like someone did. 8(
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........ wrote:
christo4_99 wrote: Like doing builds of Bessler's drawings is considered stupid as they are non-runners.
Who said doing builds of Bessler's drawings is stupid ?
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murilo wrote:.8,
have you some to share with us?
Better you have, the more 'some people' will beat you!
The higher beat level you'll get will be '100% ignoring'.
Worst of all will be if you ask for genius status and green dots without showing any stuffs - just like someone did. 8(
Best!
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Have posted the concept and am building it. I think with what I am working on, being ignored is a blessing. it is much work. I can see why others avoid it.
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