What inspired Bessler

[Ken]

Weights are needed.

[eccentrically1]

JB had wheels without weights, so there goes that theory.

[Ken]

On the contrary, gravity works with things that have weight to them. Now he might not have called them weights specifically, but they did have weight. That is how the wheel and gravity functions.

So there goes that theory.

[eccentrically1]

The wheels without things not specifically called weights didn't need gravity to work.

So there goes rhat theory again.

[Ken]

The wheels without things not specifically called weights didn't need gravity to work.

LMAO,

ALL perpetual motion uses gravity.

[eccentrically1]

ALL perpetual motion uses gravity.

LMAO,

Perpetual motion is impossible.

[Ken]

And the planets don't orbit the sun.

*rolls eyes*

[eccentrically1]

Ah yes, the planets. They seem like they'll orbit the sun forever, don't they? Never losing momentum, never slowing down in the near perfect vacuum of space.
But wait! The moon's gravitational pull creates the tides. The friction of the tides slows the rotational velocity of the earth.

The orbit of the earth is decaying, slowly. We can't sense it, but we can measure it.

The sun contains almost 99.9% of the mass in the solar system.

Ironically, gravity actually prevents perpetual motion in between two bodies in space over long periods of time.

[Ken]

*rolls eyes*

[eccentrically1]

*rolls eyes*

[Kirk]

Where on earth did Bessler find inspirations to his wheels?
Like any good inventor, Bessler probably found the answer in plain sight after careful observations of nature
He even said so himself

Where does that leave us?

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wasn't he involved with clocks?

[Tarsier79]

I think working with clocks would have given him a good understanding of timing and gearing. I think it could help him to increase efficiency, and also would enable him to create a wheel without weights, but wouldn't have provided him with that thing "found in nature".

Ecc, although there are some who have moved past a gravity powered wheel, there are a large amount that will never hear that argument as the voice of reason, and will continue to attempt to find the answer in gravity alone. I suspect people will continue to look there for the remainder of the existence of man.

[Ken]

A gravity powered wheel can easily be built.

Those who say it cannot MUST make some assumptions.

1)They assume they know Everything.

If one allows for the possibility, they are revealing they do not think they know everything.

2)If it is possible, they should have been informed, because they were not informed, it is not possible.

This goes along with knowing everything.

3)If someone else comes up with the solution must be stopped. That way the reasoning they use stays in place.

The reasoning of a brain fart.

It takes a whole lot more faith and belief in a self delusion to try and prove things cannot ever happen. The ONLY way is can be true is to possess ALL knowledge.

I am pretty sure not one of the naysayers or people who choose to ridicule have ALL knowledge. Hell I doubt some of them can dress themselves. :)

[Oystein]

If someone found a material that would expand when applied pressure, you could theoretically build a perpetual motion machine!

It is now found. This is not mechanically practical for us (or Bessler) but still interesting to know they have found the basic property to excist in some materials.

http://www.bnl.gov/bnlweb/pubaf/pr/2001/bnlpr121301.htm

[Kirk]

sadly you have to get it to shrink again. That takes energy