Bhaskara "cage"...

[iacob alex]

.....can be seen as a particularly wrong starting image , evolving to an "dead-end" , but more important is the "inquisition mentality" of the so-called official investigation , related at :

http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/themes/whynot.htm

Sorry , for the moment we have "bad news"...one more time.

With this sum of what we know , and our "art" of interpretation ...are we at the end of science?

A theory ia a coherent group of general propositions used as principles of explanation for a class of phenomena...it can change from time to time.

The trouble is that the real physical world , founded on facts or evidence is the "only validator".

Al_ex

[rasselasss]

Alex,I think a lot of folk here have resigned themselves through disappointment in their own designs or builds or because of secrecy,whatever...it stifles discussion,your perseverence to stimulate this Forum is to be admired ,the nonsense talked on some threads here seriouly damage this excellent Forum....Good Luck.

[Rafael Ti]

"Why won't my perpetual motion machine work?"
(Donald E. Simanek)
These are only BIG WORDS staying here to cow you, nothing more, as there is no mathematic proof for that conclusion. Devil just seats in details.
Perhaps you need just one more try? Or one more weekend spent on thinking & tinkering...
Regarding Bhaskara "cage" there is interesting modification of it:
http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory ... index.html

[iacob alex]

Hi Rafael !
I know this drawing of Jim Mich and his ( statics ) calculus ( a small torque difference ).

By the way :why not a simple (motion/dynamics ) test ,with a simplified design (two opposite arms , only ) ?

All we need :
-a fulcrum
-a bar (vever) with two equal arms
-two equal masses
-four strings, connecting masses with arms

Can be this play so difficult?

At : http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Gravity_Motors we have a certain "working" precondition , as follows:

-"For a rotary device to <work> , it has to achieve a full 360 rotation ,with acceleration between each complete turn".

Al_ex

[Rafael Ti]

Hi Iacob!
This is a very promising device indeed, with interesting effects inside - you can observe how the fulcrum of each particular weight is changing due to two ropes holding it. This may be a key for overunity here. I did some calculations for four arm one - always resulting a small positive torque. There is a lot to play around it.. with length of ropes and position of "pivot" for each rope.

All the best

[jim_mich]

This is a very old idea that has been around for hundreds, if not a few thousand years. Clicking these pictures will take you to where this wheel was discussed about 9 years ago.

[AB Hammer]

Rafael Ti

The biggest problem with the v effect is the weight effect is transferred to the Weights position when the 2 cables become tight. Just as it has done on this wheel of mine. So in fact the Bhaskara wheel shows more weight bellow the 9:00 to 3:00 positions which does not leave enough weight above the 9:00 to 3:00 line to work with. But there is interesting effects of the approach.


http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/downl ... er=user_id

[Rafael Ti]

Iacob proposal... could it be getting out of the "cage" so easy? :) ;)

[iacob alex]

Hi Rafael !
Your starting drawing shows a stable arrangement : center of mass is below the fulcrum.

The key word we must play is "unstable", and the corresponding graphic symbol is the nverted pendulum (center of mass above the fulcrum ).

The first steps you can see at : www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ02MjqBk7s

...but no more than 1:56

Here you can see :
-heavy hub (0:06-0:14) for temporary storage of motion
-heavy hub inverted pendulum (0:20-0:40 )
-heavy hub variable inverted pendulum (0:41-1:05 )
-counterweight heavy hub variable inverted pendulum (1:06-1:56 )

There are a lot of topics on this forum , related to this "tags".

The "main rule" to keep in continuance the unbalance , you can find at "Three points on a line..." topic.

If you intend to be inventive or creative , try to make your connections with two topics ("PM archetype..." and "PM natural model..." ) in your own manner.

Al_ex

[iacob alex]

.....as a topic (see the first message) , is about a "dead-end" , if not a "labyrinth" with "no exit" , for the people searching a manner to gain control and use gravity fall , as a source of natural "fresh" energy.

Some arguments , to avoid (not to enter) this old indian .
"trap" for imagination , at :

https://webspace.utexas.edu/cokerwr/www ... nce10.html

Al_ex

[iacob alex]

.....or thinking as a hamster in a cage , begins as a comedy :
http://blueballfixed.ytmnd.com/

.....but in the end is a tragedy :
http://www.lettl.de/g191.html

"There's none so blind as they that won't see" (Jonathan Swift).

Al_ex

[raj]

Standing on the shore, I won't see the the sky touching the sea over the horizon, even though, this is what I am suppose to see.

[raj]

I have great respect for 'logics'.
I don't give a hoot for 'quotes' from whoever they may be.

[murilo]

.....or thinking as a hamster in a cage , begins as a comedy :
http://blueballfixed.ytmnd.com/

.....but in the end is a tragedy :
http://www.lettl.de/g191.html

"There's none so blind as they that won't see" (Jonathan Swift).

Al_ex

Great Al_ex,
your first link couldn't be open in my PC. B&#8747;
Thanx!
M

[Rafael Ti]

Hi guys,
Just another one for collection of non-runners, why? because so many people tried this for so many years and times, so we are sure it can't work. We know... it's also 'bottom heavy' as the most of women in the world and... as SSterrling from PES Wiki says; "The model presumes a downward force only, which is okay frame by frame, but once you introduce rotation, you also introduce centripetal force." Of course the centripetal force doesn't depend on RPM... we know. So.. maybe it's O.K. frame by frame or step by step? Let's come back to the Discipline...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTVfKEltWns