design claimed to be working

[turulato]

Hi Guys:
I love this drawing, if the guy says it works, it probably does. Let me fill in the blanks. Time to put on your imagination hats.
The dwg. shows 2 wheels with vanes.
So now imagine two collector springs also as shown on end view. notice they are on the outside.
What is not shown on the end view, is the weights. If they did, they would look something like a weight lifters set where you have weights on both ends of the bar. Now imagine that the bar rest on the vanes (both of them) and the weights ride on the springs, now do you get it?
Beutifull and simple, why didn't I think of that?
I'll bet it works.....any takers?

Turulato

[rounder]

All i see happening at this site is people trying to lead other people on about there so called ideas which is a waste of my time and everyones time on this site. If someone posted a pic that they say works, than it would work and if it doesn't than they are here for other reasons. besides trying to solve or help solve the workings of this wheel .I just roll with the flow and ignore the bullshit which makes this site be almost pathetic at times. BIG UPS TO THE REAL PEOPLE HERE

[TommyK]

BIG UPS TO THE REAL PEOPLE HERE

LOL! Thanks. You keep rolling. I am. And if all the bullshit is a waste of your time then why bother posting? Wait! Don't waste your time.

[rounder]

Some people mislead them selfs and then try to mislead others.id rather be talking about the facts and trying to put the clues together, no one here has a working wheel fact,some people come here and bullshit and waste everyones time with some thing they themselves no not to be true. fact

[coylo]

C'mon, it's not all that bad.
There are only a tiny minority of members who are major bullshitters, but the problem is that these members post quite a lot. (Eh...Hymmm....Vandugegs.)

The majority of members make a constructive contribution, and we can only do this when there are good ideas posted up to kick around, but we all know how secretive people in this field can be, myself included.

Therefore we get a lot of posts like - "I've cracked it, but I'm not tellin' ya how I did it."

[turulato]

How do I attach a dwg.? Need help.
Thanks

[jim_mich]

To attach a drawing when you're posting, click the "Browse..." button down below across from "Filename" and find the picture on your computer. Add any file comments you want. Click the "Add Attachment" button. And submit your post.

Note there are limits on file types and sizes.
Click "Allowed Extensions and Sizes" to see those limits.

[turulato]

Thank you Jim.
I believe the guy built his wheel based on this principle,
Simple.

[jim_mich]

That's a good drawing of his idea, but the inner return spring must extend outward farther to near the rim to keep the roller weight from rolling off the end, else there would be no need for such a large diameter wheel and the wheel could be made smaller.

Also I'm not sure if the curves are right?

[Trev]

Hi Rounder,
there is a bit to much 'feeding the ducks' here at times but all sites are like that and some are much worse, personally I believe if someone thinks they have the whole loaf they should throw it in the pond, because if they haven't build a working model then its just a trail of crumbs to nowhere. :)

[bluesgtr44]

OK...I see how this might work. Very good description with the "weights" as far as there is not just "pegs" at the end of the weights. As far as Bessler is concerned in this, I have not seen or heard of any other outside device such as the one he has pictured. There are clearly stantions that hold up the "Golden Spring". Hmmmmm...Not to say the Besslers way was the only way, but nothing like this depicted what so ever.

If it was like this, it was inside the wheel. After all the last wheel weighed 700 lbs or so. Had to be SOMETHING good in there.

KEN! I read your article at the cosmic whatever sight...very good. I am with you on the spring theory. That is the key, I am pretty sure. I have a hard time picturing what you mean when you say that on the ascending side...the springs work in a way to reduce the actual weight (understand about tossing a ball up and it reaches the zenith i.e. weightlessness) Just can't see it in a rotational situation. I am in total agreement that the solution is going to be a "you gotta be kidding" type of situation. Oh, and a question Ken...I was thinking that his first wheel divided into 4 sections not eight. My reasoning is that he just wanted a working wheel. Are you pretty strong on this eight idea? If so, I will probably follow your advice and stretch it on out to eighths. Hmmm...more money, more time.

Another question for you guys. Why would the shaft have to turn? Could not the bearings be on the wheel itself and just the wheel turns? I know this is not what Bessler did, but it could work and would make it easier and more cost effective to build. Bearings are not very cheap...good ones anyway.

Steve

[ken_behrendt]

Well, the design with its "Golden Spring" is certainly novel in the way it forces the weights to move up and over the axle. However, I am convinced that coming up with new ways to move the weights over the axles of wheels is not going to achieve anything of a perpetual nature. I now avoid any designs that put weights at or near the center of rotation.

bluesgtr44...

Thanks for visiting my website (Cosmic Vault) and I'm glad you enjoyed my articles on free energy. I should point out, however, that the article you referred to was written in late 2003 and the vaguely described device was built and did NOT work. However, I am confident that the principles discussed in that article will be of value to those who "seek after perpetual motion".

You asked how many weights were in Bessler's wheels. I have come to the conclusion (as many others have) that the one directional wheels used eight weights and that the bi-directional wheels used 16.

IF you have the correct design for the secret mechanism, then it should be possible to build a working PM machine with only two weights! However, I prefer to use eight as Bessler did. There are practical reasons why he would have used this number as well as numerological reasons (Bessler was an extraordinary numerologist).

ken

[jim_mich]

Another question for you guys. Why would the shaft have to turn? Could not the bearings be on the wheel itself and just the wheel turns? I know this is not what Bessler did, but it could work and would make it easier and more cost effective to build. Bearings are not very cheap...good ones anyway.

Steve

Steel ball bearing type ABEC-1 No. R1, 1/4" ID, 5/8" OD, 13/64" Wide dynamic load 486 lbs. each.
Part number 60355K73 from www.mcmaster.com $4.81 each plus shipping.

I press a 1/4 steel shaft through a 7/32 drilled hole in my wood wheels. Then press on a pair of the above R1 bearings each end. I have a support stand consisting of upright 1 x 4's with 5/8" pockets in the top. These bearings are good and inexpensive. If you as much as breath on a wheel it will turn.



P.S. Drill the hole straight using a drill press, else your wheel will wobble.

[bluesgtr44]

Thanks Ken...sorry the one you tried then did not work. Ya know, I guess I am still in the facination stage of this. I do believe he had it. I think there is just too much evidence to support this and if he was a fake...I mean, he offered his HEAD...and he was not an idiot.

I am trying to get the basis for a wheel that can be easily converted for other Ideas and not have to continually build wheels from scratch. I am finding this hard to do with limited funding. Oh, I am married...23 yrs. and my wife could care less about a wheel. She's thinking RV!

The way I am focusing on this is from the PPM view. As I said before...don't care about doing work, I just want the concept...everything else will take care of itself. The concept is to create an eccentric (elipse) inside of a concentric. Being of the engineering minded group, I pay more attention to the mechanics rather than the math.

"...If I build it, will he come?"

Steve

[bluesgtr44]

OK...thanks Jim. I was actually looking more into roller bearings attached to trunions. The same kind of stands that they use for the enormous cable spools that electricians use when feeding out the cable. Maybe yours would be a better more economical way.


Steve