Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel

[Sam Peppiatt]

Hi Silent !!

Haven't heard from you in ages. I'll never forget how you made a spring out of a coat hanger! I'm working with pendulums now; I might be on the right track, who knows for sure-------------------------------------------Sam

[silent]

Oh yeah it's fun making coil springs from a coat hanger! The spring is still fine too. It's a poor man's spring, but I've found other instructions online which says to do it like I did so I must not be too stupid! :) Thanks for the note!

silent

[Georg Künstler]

Hi Sam,
the pendulums must swing and not allowed to swing back to the original position.
This you can achive with a moving parallelogram or, some say storkbill to that.
So it is an overlay of two movements.
Or as I have described it already the pivot point where the pendulums is fastened must also wandering.
Calloway did this already but his pivot point of the pendulums is wandering on a perfect circle shape.
With a storkbill (only one bill), the circle shape belongs to the past.

[Sam Peppiatt]

Hi Georg,
I'm not sure how the pivot point can be wandering. Does it wander / shift along the circumference and not the radius or both--------------------Sam

[Sam Peppiatt]

To reiterate pendulum principles,

Directional bearings / one way bearings, give pends. two states of motion. One being out of balance or rotating, the other being balanced or translating. They can change back and forth from one state to the other, in a hart beat. I.E., out of balance going down, to drive the wheel and then, very quickly back to balanced to return to the top. I don't think there is any thing else capable of doing that, which makes them the best choice, probably the only choice, for a gravity wheel ------------------------Sam

[Georg Künstler]

Hi Sam,
when we have a look to the impacts on the downgoing side then we have an asymmetric action inside the wheel.

The actions inside of the wheel left and right are not equal.
A hard stop of a pendulum suspension point will result in an upswing of the pendulum.

Look at trevors tread, I have attached a sketch there.

[Sam Peppiatt]

Hi Georg!

I'm working with gravity only, no impacts. Your idea, no doubt, would be better. It would turn a lot faster, and would have more power, I simply don't know how to do it.

I'm having a hard enough time, just by using gravity------------------------Sam

[vlmmoa55]

The pendulums do everything; , eliminate bottom heaviness

the pendulum resets to zero to smooth the movement, nothing more.

the center of gravity must practically remain at the top (torque and imbalance when starting and whatever the position of the wheel), it is not the pendulum which operates the system on its own. we can easily not put it

a model is under construction as well as a very simple reasoning( 1 to 2 months of waiting (time to receive the parts + assembly )

[Sam Peppiatt]

vlmmoa55,

Perhaps I should have said, the pendulums do PRACTALY everything. Not quite sure what you mean? Are you condemning them-------------------Sam

[Sam Peppiatt]

vlmmoa55,

I think; you are saying that pendulums are useless. Well you aren't alone. Apparently every on this forum feels the same way. I've tried so hard to explain how important they are, but no one can grasp it. I'll never understand why-------------------------------------------Sam

[thx4]

https://youtu.be/d_onAFJK868

Hi Sam, in this video, the pendulum is not connected to anything, so it will stop, as long as we don't have a motor the pendulum remains useful, but the day (very far the day) when we will find a motor, the pendulum can stay at home...

The best for the future Sam.

A++

[Sam Peppiatt]

Hi thx4,
I think you must mean un useful. And stay at home is good? A spring can tip them and act as a motor, with the use of offset. However I don't think it can be done without the special bearings. In the video, the pends. look to be rotating with the wheel. If I'm right the pends. have to be translating on the up side, (free swinging).

Thanks for the kind words------------------------------Sam

[Fletcher]

vlmmoa55,

I think; you are saying that pendulums are useless. Well you aren't alone. Apparently every on this forum feels the same way. I've tried so hard to explain how important they are, but no one can grasp it. I'll never understand why-------------------------------------------Sam

So far nobody knows how to mechanically reset them without additional energy input from somewhere Sam, so that the device has asymmetric torque and accelerates to be a closed-loop self-moving wheel. If that can be solved, without additional energy input from outside, then clearly pendulums wouldn't be 'useless'. I think we all get that !

Most of us are out of ideas about how to mechanically achieve this (not from lack of trying). And we have no choice but to take a break and wait for someone like yourself to close the loop, with some stunning mechanical solution we haven't been able to think of for ourselves. We hope that day arrives soon for you, or anyone. In the mean time we also explore other possibilities for self-revolution, alongside pendulum technology in the back of the mind. Best of luck to you Sam. You have the determination to not be frightened off by them.

[Sam Peppiatt]

Hi Fletcher,

What can I say, I've probably said too much already----------------------------------------------Sam

[thx4]

By observing the MT51 Bessler shows us how to use a balance coupled to the inertia disk, it would be for me a pulsation, which it would be necessary to couple with a unbalanced MTx.
But why wouldn't this unbalanced MTx be enough on its own?

A++