OK Georg
It is time for the truth!
Why did you let me post my last drawing without dispute or corrections?
Blow us out of the water with a drawing/image/photo/video/math or maybe a witness.
How about something now for everyone or anyone.
You have the theory.
Can you draw a picture of it?
Georg Künstler's Ideas...
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JB Wheeler
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it exists I think I found it.
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JB,
Why are you getting uptight with Georg. You should care less about his claims as you informed me you already new the answer. You even wanted us to get together and build it to your specifications. I would not waste my time here if I were you. I am still waiting for a copy of your disclosure statement, followed with a set of prints. providing I sign your DS that is.
Ralph
Why are you getting uptight with Georg. You should care less about his claims as you informed me you already new the answer. You even wanted us to get together and build it to your specifications. I would not waste my time here if I were you. I am still waiting for a copy of your disclosure statement, followed with a set of prints. providing I sign your DS that is.
Ralph
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"Why are you getting uptight with Georg."
why do you ask?
Georg have been feeding us bs without any evidence to proof his claims.
That walker video proofs that large round mass travels smoothly for 2 meters when gently pushed. I coud take my spare tire from the back of my car and replicate equally impressive video.
why do you ask?
Georg have been feeding us bs without any evidence to proof his claims.
That walker video proofs that large round mass travels smoothly for 2 meters when gently pushed. I coud take my spare tire from the back of my car and replicate equally impressive video.
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I would like to see that one :-D
Marchello E.
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Here's what I think ... Georg has built over the years various basement componentry & part mechanisms in support of his ideas. They were intended to provide hard evidence of his founding principles which he believes must be employed to achieve a self sustaining wheel.
At this stage he still has an incomplete theory & thus far, by himself, he has been unable to cobble all his ideas together to successfully replicate a Bessler's design (or not) though he is sure he is close.
So he needs help ! He dangles the carrot of "success has been achieved & you can do it too" & starts recruiting disciples, one of which he hopes will have the nous to make the vital breakthrough to achieve his dream.
If that were to happen he would then announce "you are the second person after me to find the answer, well done".
When things had calmed down & he was asked, why did you only give hints & no solid proof for all those years while I struggled ? He would say "there was no point in me spoon feeding you because there is much more satisfaction to be had from finding the answer for yourself, with my benevolent guidance. Come share the rewards with me".
Perhaps a little to cynical take on things for your liking ? He's been plucking on our strings harder than the duelling banjo & guitar in "deliverance". But it does have a certain resonance of truth about it !
At this stage he still has an incomplete theory & thus far, by himself, he has been unable to cobble all his ideas together to successfully replicate a Bessler's design (or not) though he is sure he is close.
So he needs help ! He dangles the carrot of "success has been achieved & you can do it too" & starts recruiting disciples, one of which he hopes will have the nous to make the vital breakthrough to achieve his dream.
If that were to happen he would then announce "you are the second person after me to find the answer, well done".
When things had calmed down & he was asked, why did you only give hints & no solid proof for all those years while I struggled ? He would say "there was no point in me spoon feeding you because there is much more satisfaction to be had from finding the answer for yourself, with my benevolent guidance. Come share the rewards with me".
Perhaps a little to cynical take on things for your liking ? He's been plucking on our strings harder than the duelling banjo & guitar in "deliverance". But it does have a certain resonance of truth about it !
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Right on Fletch.
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Ralph
I am not uptight with Georg, I enjoy the puzzle he has cut and handed pieces to different folk at different times.
I think he needs to show us something because he says he has something.
Wow that sounds familiar.
He may surprize us and show up in the NY times or the Berlin daily sometime.
I am not uptight with Georg, I enjoy the puzzle he has cut and handed pieces to different folk at different times.
I think he needs to show us something because he says he has something.
Wow that sounds familiar.
He may surprize us and show up in the NY times or the Berlin daily sometime.
JB Wheeler
it exists I think I found it.
it exists I think I found it.
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21 pages and I'm still waiting for the fat lady to sing.
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She'll starve to death before that ever happens....21 pages and I'm still waiting for the fat lady to sing.
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While thinking about Georg's ideas I pictured this. can someone please try this with working model 2d I would like to know how it does. Or what your comments are about it.
Thank you
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Here's what I got Mike, but I'm not sure I understood your drawing.
PS The attachments are of intial and final positions.
PS The attachments are of intial and final positions.
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Jonathan
Would you consider doing a test of of the design, I placed on page 20.
It must have defects, but it may have some of Georg's theory in it.
Thanks
Would you consider doing a test of of the design, I placed on page 20.
It must have defects, but it may have some of Georg's theory in it.
Thanks
JB Wheeler
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it exists I think I found it.
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Jonathan...
I liked your model of the Mike's design...but, in your second attached screenshot, shouldn't the pendulum be swinging to the left as the center wheel is rotated counter clockwise by the four weighted drive wheels?
ken
I liked your model of the Mike's design...but, in your second attached screenshot, shouldn't the pendulum be swinging to the left as the center wheel is rotated counter clockwise by the four weighted drive wheels?
ken
On 7/6/06, I found, in any overbalanced gravity wheel with rotation rate, ω, axle to CG distance d, and CG dip angle φ, the average vertical velocity of its drive weights is downward and given by:
Vaver = -2(√2)πdωcosφ
Vaver = -2(√2)πdωcosφ
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Hello Jonathan,
Your WM2D model is very nice work and I thank you.
It is very close to what I ment, If you could move the pendulum away from the wheel so there is no contact between them, and play with the connecting rod positions ( pin it closer to the center wheels axis and farther from the pendulums axis ) and if its not to much trouble, please post it.
Thank you much
Mike
Your WM2D model is very nice work and I thank you.
It is very close to what I ment, If you could move the pendulum away from the wheel so there is no contact between them, and play with the connecting rod positions ( pin it closer to the center wheels axis and farther from the pendulums axis ) and if its not to much trouble, please post it.
Thank you much
Mike
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Hi Wheeler,
you always think in one system, instead of two. The swinging pendulum between is to transfer energy from one system to the other, and reverse.
What is target, what is source ?
So the weight on the wheel left and right is variated and keeps them turning. The pendulum is like a vibration between left and right. Both are out of balance !!
Again: you had to break the wheels to prevent the pendulum for falling. This break-energy is free.
I will post you an additional example this evening from home. I am sure you will get it then.
the future has begun
Georg
you always think in one system, instead of two. The swinging pendulum between is to transfer energy from one system to the other, and reverse.
What is target, what is source ?
So the weight on the wheel left and right is variated and keeps them turning. The pendulum is like a vibration between left and right. Both are out of balance !!
Again: you had to break the wheels to prevent the pendulum for falling. This break-energy is free.
I will post you an additional example this evening from home. I am sure you will get it then.
the future has begun
Georg