Tarsier79 wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 9:56 pm
Why would Besslers apprentices book be in Guam?
Can King Lotar read old german?
A load stone with a greater attraction one end is not the answer. But, there were load stones in Besslers estate.
I sit, that is sit, corrected for the right spelling is 'Lode Stone'. It is good to know Bessler had some in his estate inventory.
If I had to choose old books in Guam or America. Then I choose Guam.
Hopefully some research could cross check family names on the island to see if there are any connections.
We have had books sold in America via ebay so why not in Guam.
There is also the chance that books could be purchased too explain a possible solution.
A retired hobbies could have written the book. Without the book to give this story a firm foundation.
We are just creating a silk thread to the rich web of Bessler's history.
[MP] Mobiles that perpetuate - external energy allowed
agor95, I doubt if your "load" stone will work, no matter how you spell it, or the horse shoe nails, (not that I have anything better). However, I have decided to try and lift the pendulums straight up. I.E., the translating motion always returns the weights to the 12:00 position; free of charge. Beyond that, the idea is to boost the pend. upward with a spring and, have a big pend. at the center to flip them straight up, at or near 12:00. Similar to MT-13-------------------Sam
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Good luck for any alternative angle is worth investigating.
I actually keep away from magnets for the simple reason; proof.
The argument is the energy driving a magnetic motor is taken from the magnet becoming less magnetic.
A lot of energy was use to create the magnet to being with. Therefore the reduction will take time.
I just stay clear of the debate for that reason.
Note.
If anyone is attracted to the magnetic method then check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halbach_array.
The idea is to uses powerful rare earth magnets to modulate their strength by fixing them in a rotational array.
Then arrange this block against diamagnetic metals instead of iron nails.
All the Best.
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[MP] Mobiles that perpetuate - external energy allowed
The argument is the energy driving a magnetic motor is taken from the magnet becoming less magnetic.
To date, there is not one proven magnet motor that exists, so any argument about magnets reducing over time, energy being drawn directly from the magnets is pure speculation. The reason magnetic motors don't exist is the same as perpetual gravity wheels: ie, it takes the same or more energy to leave the magnetic field than you get from entering it.
Work continues on what I'm calling the "MT-13" version of Bessler's wheel; with a number of exceptions. There are only two small pendulums, one on each side, which become more or less horizontally weighted arms. They are spring loaded to assist in the lifting of them. They also have directional bearings. The big pendulum in the center has two rollers, one at the top as shown, and another at the bottom. The arms swing up and out on the down side, at 12:00 and up and in on the up side, at 6:00. To repeat; the arms reset at 12:00 and 6:00 and, drive the wheel at 9:00 and 3:00, for about 90 degrees of rotation of the wheel, after the clutches grab hold for CCW rotation-------------------------Sam
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Once again the new idea doesn't work, (not too surprising). However, I have decided to combine the Roberval Balance with the pendulums. Maybe the two working together, will work. IE., the pends. will, "push off", so to speak from the balance----------------------Sam
I think this might work. There are five parts to it. A pendulum or weighted arm as Collins calls it, directional bearings, a Roberval effect device as Fletcher described it, a torsion spring that fits between the pend. and the device and, lastly a means or roller for flipping the pendulums up. A here to for unknown spices of machinery; if it works that is--------------------------------Sam
Combining the pendulums with a Roberval effect device looks to be a good idea. A plate goes around and around in a circle with the pends., which doesn't rotate. Being grounded, it provides a firm footing for flipping the pends. A spring can be added to assist in the flipping of them. With the spring mounted to the plate, it doesn't get all snarled up, as the wheel turns. Also, with it grounded, back forces are eliminated. I wish I had tried this a lot sooner.
However, it's still difficult to find the best way to 'ground' the device and, a means to flip the pendulums, (twice per revolution of the wheel), once at 12:00 and again at 6:00--------------------------------Sam
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I have made a lot of progress. The hart of the system is two translating plates, that go around and around in a circle, but don't rotate. One at 3:00 and the other at 9:00. They are held in a state of translating motion by sprockets and, roller chain mounted near the center of the wheel. On each plate is a heavy arm / pend. with directional bearings and a gear(s) to flip them up. Another sprocket and roller chain mounted near the center of the wheel, drives this gear, one half the speed of the wheel. The plan is to flip each pendulum, once for every turn of the wheel. One at 12:00 and the other at 6:00.
For it to work, the weighted arm has to produce more force, than what it takes to flip it. It, the arm, has a lot of leverage plus mechanical advantage,(MA), so it might work. Will just have to try it and see-------------------------Sam
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A "U" joints shaft mounted near the center of the wheel and connected to ground drives every thing. It holds / keeps the two plates translating and, provides the drive for flipping the weighted arms. This would be a considerable deviation from what ever Bessler did. More than likely, he would have used a Ramelli type wheel, or some variation of it. By flipping only one weight per turn of the wheel gives a surprising amount of mechanical advantage to the drive; as much as 16 to one. Which should be a big help for flipping the weights. Plus, they, the weights, only lift up six inches but fall for about 30 inches, at a radius of 20 inches.
However, still don't know for sure, if it's going to work--------------------------Sam
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Combining translating motion with rotary motion produces surprising results. See James Watt's sun and planetary gear. WikipediA has an animation of it. I have replaced the connecting rod with a "U"joints shaft and, the gear with chain and sprockets, which does add a turn----------------Sam
Working on a new idea. I'm fairly certain now that Bessler's wheels had constant torque. About the only way that could happen is by using a Roberval balance type device. But, how to control / drive the arms? They can't be grounded and, a heavy pendulum won't work either. I've decided to try a heavy roller, mounted at or near the center of the wheel to drive / shift the arms, to give the wheel seamless torque. However, as always have to build it first, to see if it will work------------------------------Sam
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