NEWS FLASH!! Fcdriver has a working wheel!!!!

[ME]

So the changing from a direct downward force against the wheel to a indirect force lifting causing a slower rate or acceleration, is not a third?

Not persé. A wheel with an unequal mass distribution will just have an acceleration which is a factor of gravity determined by this mass distribution and wheel inertia. Perhaps static/dynamic friction and weight/leverage juggling will cause some rate-change and will have its 3rd (4th,5th..) derivative effects. But the primary source will simply be gravity...
Or, an unbalanced lever system will start to find balance at a certain speed accelerating at a maximum of 9.81m/s^2. Around balance it could slow down due to whatever mechanism, giving rise to all kinds of derivatives. As I see it: still gravity at work.

As I currently understand Grimer's use of the 3rd: is to single out this 3rd and use it as a cause to be applied on some weight or wheel where it has an effect on wheel acceleration and velocity etc...
Perhaps simply a semantic-problem or distinction: or, as long as a wheel rotates by itself then in the end nobody would care if a 3rd is either cause or effect (they'll just happen at the same time).
Besides that, thinking in 3rd's might very well overcome some cognitive obstacle :-)

* How's your rebuild going ?

You should read the papers on my web site. You are one person who should be capable of understanding them, albeit not agreeing with them since the cognitive dissonance will be too great

Perhaps you noticed: I'm already in dissonance just by "attempting to do things which are not generally looked at as being possible", One never knows what's needed to get cognitive resonance.
Which paper do you recommend?

unless you believe in all that general relativity bollocks.

I believe the whole universe would be just a quick blip, perhaps even non-existent, when it could be observed from the outside - and yet, here we are! Hi all !!

[Grimer]

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Which paper do you recommend?
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All of them, of course.....:-)

By my sons tell me the file called "Stuff" makes the easiest reading.

[ME]

Anyway, to cut a long story short...

Lol

I want you now to consider the concept of Force.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_chain : I think a perfect fit between Granular Clay, Fractals and the rest of your research stuff

[Fcdriver]

Reassembly has begone all but two parts have been rebuilt or repaired, glued and screwed plywood replacing 2x material, plastic replacing plywood. A much better looking, presentable product! All wear problems resolved. Wish I had a metal shop, instead of wood!

[Grimer]

Don't worry. Some of Harrison's best clocks were made of wood.

... and don't forget, Jesus was a carpenter, not a blacksmith. ... :-)

[Andyb]

FC if you do end up building in the future with metals keep aluminum in mind it is very light and easy too machine great low torque weight factor ,a big plus that is ,i wish i had had the insight to see the benifits of different weights in material chooses ,but hey you live and learn ,good luck sir.

[Grimer]

The announcement of gravity waves today seems an appropriate occasion for me to say in this historic thread (hopefully... :-).....) that I now realise more about the nature of inertial mass than I did last week, namely, that JERK is inertial mass, inertial mass at the mechanical scale, or rather its reciprocal which I have named WILLINGNESS.

The idea that inertial mass goes to infinity as a body reaches the speed of light was always a nonsense.

What actually happens is that the Willingness (1/M) goes to zero. When we accelerate a body the amount of energy we put is is only a small fraction of the amount that the body itself supplies from its own internal angular momentum.

All we are doing is putting in the control energy needed to operate the internal servo-mechanisms. If these internal mechanisms are locked (as in the case of a box packed with internal gyros with locked gimbals, for example) then the inertial mass increases enormously.

Inertial Mass is a property of matter, not the substance of matter.

[ME]

Grimer, I personally would like to reserve the term 'Willingness' to a (perpetual-) motion system which has no velocity (yet), but all the sum-total of all forces involved result in some torque.

I don't know what you mean by (1/M), but I do agree in the suspicion that Inertial mass is an emergent property of things (stuff, particles, energy or whatever) with internal angular momentum, occupying and manipulating space in the process.

[Fcdriver]

I know I'm working on my wheel backwards compared to most, I started out full scale! Now as I inter into testing the strength, and try to figure out the proper method of testing. I have a small engine lathe delivered, so I can now make a model size version. Testing and the method of demonstration sounds easy, it is not! One cannot just say well here it is! But that appears to about what I'm going to do, of sort!

[Grimer]

Before you rush off to optimise with models, when can we see a video of the full size one working, as you promised?

[Fcdriver]

Yes and before I start adding weight amounts too!

[Fcdriver]

The testing for wattage output will not be until weights are added, unless I switch to a alternator instead of a genarator.

[sleepy]

I am confused as to your progress.Last I heard,you had all of the necessary parts and were getting ready to assemble the working wheel.First off,is it assembled and running? Or have you stopped assembling to work on a smaller version? Please help me understand.

[Grimer]

The testing for wattage output will not be until weights are added, unless I switch to a alternator instead of a generator.

You need to demonstrate it without a generator attached - else everyone will smell a rat.

If you need to have load on it to prevent it accelerating to destruction then have it lifting a weight or a Prony brake.

[Fcdriver]

I am confused as to your progress.Last I heard,you had all of the necessary parts and were getting ready to assemble the working wheel.First off,is it assembled and running? Or have you stopped assembling to work on a smaller version? Please help me understand.

I Hope to be posting a series of videos very soon, I do have a job, even though I'm only working part time lately, if my wife didn't own the Company I would have been fired long ago. Getting old is not fun, I can only work on this but a few hrs a day, it appears my back is much older than the rest of me. Doctors say the can replace a knee, elbow, shoulder, even finger joints, but not a back just yet!