Georg Künstler's Ideas...

[SeaWasp]

Sevich..

Just a quick question about your wheel which has sparked my curiosity..

When the weights within the cogs are rotated and held so that one is closer to the axle and the other is closer to the rim, will the wheel try to turn at all?

[scott]

I wonder if Scott... I wonder about this whole board sometimes anyway... My opinion is that a small clique has tried for years to solve the PM riddle, couldn't do it, so uses tis board to generate ideas...

So strange how some people will twist just about anything into any opportunity to launch a personal attack against me.

Would those of you who are convinced that this board is a conspiracy and that I'm up to some kind of evil plot please just stop visiting?

-Scott

[Sevich]

Seawasp....

Yes it doe's. The inner mechanism can turn independently from the outer drum shell, and in so doing creates a wobble shooting out in all directions due to shifting weight mass in & out in exact synchronization....... Georg likes to call my wheel's rotation more of an "egging" in which it does'nt follow a cycle, as he puts it!

He also states that sprocket and chain contact must have 2-3 mm gap so it can ocillate one side to the other. Also I made sure that the central shaft had at least 5mm clearance from the inner mechanism. Yes it will sit on the shaft in stand still mode only, but once in rotation, contact is zero!

For other's reading into this, once again I'd like to reiterate. "This is a non working device" !!

Seawasp.....do wish to build one? ....lol


To all.....Thanx for the support!!

anton

[rks1878]

Twisting? Look who's twisting. Here's the complete quote. I was talking about something else.

I wonder if Scott will take down Georg's link on the home page of Besslerwheel.com?

I wonder about this whole board sometimes anyway. That's why I post few details about my wheel attempts. My opinion is that a small clique has tried for years to solve the PM riddle, couldn't do it, so uses tis board to generate ideas.

I WILL NEVER CLAIM TO HAVE A WORKING PROTOTYPE OF A PMM, UNLESS I DO HAVE ONE.

Trying and failing is part of the process. I don't mind telling of failures at all. Don't be like the Korean stem cell researcher. He just couldn't resist the fleeting chance for fame....and made a false claim....poor fool.

robert

and BTW, haven't seen hide nor hair of "james kelly" for awhile. He's not having a "run" of "bad bowel" days is he?

[SeaWasp]

Sevich.. I remember seeing a little animation of this design on Georg's home page. It looked very interesting and it was very similar to a design which I contemplated a few years back. (Contemplated but never tried!)

So in answer to your question Sevich, NO! lol! I will not be building it! It seems that you have done a very admirable job in trying to duplicate his design. Your failure is everyones failure! Albeit a much more expensive one for you!

I will add one thing though.. Just to verify completely to yourself at least.. I would have added at least another of the same mechanism but at right angles to the existing one. I don't see how just one mechanism would have the impetus to complete a full revolution! Bit like a pendulum trying to complete a full revolution.. Food for thought?

Spiros.

[epistemologicide]

sevich, i hope i not too late mate been very busy, please drop me an email mate

im positive i can sort some thing out with this design.

[james kelly]

Robert; I am right here. I was off line for a while. MY computer went down by lightning strike. MY wife left me. My son got killed in a vehicle accident. Other wise things are great. I annonced that I did not have a working wheel. I have a great amount of memorie lost, due to a cardiac arrest. I have four units under construction at this time. james kelly P. S. I really do enjoy seeing ALL of you on line.

[AgingYoung]

James,

It seems that if you didn't have bad luck you wouldn't have any luck. The main reason that blind people don't like to skydive is that is scares their dogs. Hope that helped.

Good luck with your builds. The only suggestion I have is to take the idea that you think is the most promising and focus on it.

Gene

[Sevich]

Just letting the latest facts be known

Georg has contacted me not long ago with an offer to financialy compensate me ( $1300.00 EURO's) for my out of pocket expense's

He understands my frustration and says that it can be EXTREMELY tricky to have the drum working with O/U ........from what he said I feel it's sort of like a lottery ticket to get it right........needs to be spot on!!.......need the right combination between the outer and inner....the right angle and degrees is CRITICAL!!
When I asked how he himself got it right the first time, he replied that he was just lucky and that everything was in the right order and in the right timming.

[ovyyus]

Anton, thanks for the update. I find it odd that Georg would offer you compensation before trying to help out with additional info - or better yet, a video clip of his working machine. I'm sure that if you could see his machine operating then you might be willing to give it more time and effort?

It might be extremely tricky getting it to work, but how tricky is it to video it after it does?

[Sevich]

Ovyyus...

Yes he did explain to me while offering to buy my drum/wheel that he thought I knew the function and was surprised at my loss of faith.

Even if he was to video record it in motion, you still would'nt get a clear indication of the actual critical blueprints just by looking at it ....I don't know?

Just before Georg was to send me the money I had a change of heart and made it known that I wished to continue to play around with it .....but he warned me again that it will take a lots of luck to have it self run after an anitial hand push......I said that was fine.

I've had no luck with it lately and have moved on with different MORE SIMPLE prototypes.....no dynasor's!!!

We'll see what happens

Anton

[Fletcher]

Sevich .. IIRC Georg built a second 'blue drum' after his first "success".

He had it manufactured to his specifications at a machine shop. When he put it together it didn't work, either. At the time (couple of years ago now) he said the chains were to tight & needed to be more 'sloppy' or it needed more slack in the system.

Curious ?

A video of his original 'working' blue drum would provide a good shot in the arm to continue on with it, & it would at least offer some attempt at verification of his claims ?

If something can't be replicated (even by the inventor himself who has the original at hand to study) then its not luck but probably something else imo.

[jim_mich]

May I tell a story?

When I was a child my Dad invented and patented a speed control unit, commonly referred to as a 'governor' mainly for use on tractors. His first model was hand made. Parts were rough cut with a hacksaw then hand filed into shape. Some of the parts were cast from lead solder and/or soldered into place. There were a few parts that he couldn't make by hand. These he had made in a machine shop. He had some problems making his governor work, but he finally succeeded. We had some steep hills on his farm and it would keep the tractor going the same speed up hill or down. The outside case was an ugly handmade soldered steel box filled with oil that sometimes leaked. So Dad decided to have the case and some of the parts remade. He wanted a nice looking unit to show as he attempted to sell his invention. But the new unit wouldn't work like the old one. The old hand made parts had some friction. The new machined parts were slick. He tried and tried but never did get the new unit to work like the old one. Potential buyers wanted a working unit or detailed dimensional drawings from which a working unit could me made. Sadly he had neither.

The moral of the story is that once you get something to work then leave it alone. Don't screw it up by making changes. If you can't make a new model work then there's some unknown feature in the old that is missing from the new.

[coylo]

"If it ain't broke, then don't fix it"........I think is the saying, Jim.

[Sevich]

He had it manufactured to his specfications at a machine shop. When he put it together it did'nt work,

Yes Fletcher that's right! ...seems the model was too perfectly built and as a consequence was'nt lose enought to perform a repete.

Jim & Coylo, same thing that happend with those 2 scientists that discovered cold fusion. When other's from around the world tried to repete the same experiments, they could'nt ?

And again with the "Hutchinson" fella from Canada when he tried to duplicate the levitation experiments and could'nt. http://www.americanantigravity.com/hutchison.html

if at first you don't first succeed.........and the rest......