Bessler's use of Gravity

[winkle]

Ralph wrote

I say "those responsible" as it is obvious the majority of 320 odd members are not do-ers, they are philosophers who would rather rely on their physics books and debate how and should you patent, without having anything to patent. I believe it is referred to as "Cart before the horse".

perhaps we need a thread by the title of

if i ever do find anything and can figure out what it is does anyone think i should patent it


heading for the finish line things seam to be bunching up

the best i can recall off hand there are presently five people that feel they have Mr. Besslers secret

well five that have declared they belive to have the answer

is that a correct number

just curious is that the most at one time are have there been more than five in the past

looks like may be a photo finish

oh i forgot James said he already has a working wheel and claims to have enough bruises to prove it

said his wheel gave him a dam good thrashing

according to James this is a throughly dangerous enterprise so gentlemen be very careful with those wheels

if you guys build those five wheels the same size will be enough for a carriage with a spare tire i mean wheel

[rlortie]

CW,

Sorry to only throw more Bessler style confusion at you but I am sorry to say that:

1) No secondary mechanism lifts the weights as most mobilist think!

2) No spent weights ever end up at the bottom.

Ralph

[rlortie]

Winkle

The best I can recall off hand there are presently five people that feel they have Mr. Besslers secret.

well five that have declared they belive to have the answer, is that a correct number?

Your above quote which I have edited for brevity, leaves me in a ponderable position.

Who are these five people? Certainly I or James is not included. I/we have enough trouble coming up with a working wheel, let alone duplicate one allegedly built 300 years ago. Our design or designs might fit some of his un-descriptive parables, but then some people see things in wall paper border patterns or portraits.

The only member that I know of who insists on duplicating Bessler is Ken, but I do not think he has made the statement that he has found the answer.

Ralph

[winkle]

Ralph

sorry for being unclear

i don't really know if any design will ever be proven to duplicate Mr. Besslers wheel

i was just thinking in terms of a gravity wheel witch Mr. Bessler also built

[Clarkie]

Winkle,
Both John Collins and myself are trying to replicate Besslers wheels.

I cannot speak you others.

Pete.

[winkle]

Pete

noted and wish both you and John luck

oh and Jim,Ralph and James also

thats four and jim_mich makes five

was there anyone else

it may be a good idea for you guys to put James on you're speed dial so you can quickly find out what not to do if and when those wheels start turning

just remember a non turning wheel is a safe wheel

if you go beyond that be very careful

[Fletcher]

winkle .. Rainer & I are attempting to build a gravity wheel as you know. We don't know if it is a facsimile of Bessler's or not because we don't know exactly how Bessler built his, therefore we make no claims about its similarity or otherwise to Bessler's principle or wheels.

What we will say is that we have had initial encouraging results with WM but it shows only a very small torque advantage which we are attempting to amplify into something more meaningful in the real wheel build, if indeed one exists at all & we are not misguided, mistaken or deluding ourselves. Hopefully not !

Should we be successful at some time in the future, we would inform the members here as soon a practical & then ask for their patience until we could provide some acceptable & meaningful evidence. We would publish progress reports towards providing that evidence & notify if any changes occurred to that plan along the way. Our aim would be to be as straight forward, inclusive & as transparent as possible for our fellow members.

[Michael]

And I wish you the best of luck Fletcher. As for me, I'm bailing. I'll see you at the bottom of the hill...in a few years time.

[murilo]

''James, how are you doing!
I do believe that you may have THE MODEL, besides to me it's hard to reach to *what else* you want before release it!
My 2¢:
if you just confirm that your project - at any grade - is similar to MT19, I bet you got the same idea I had at some 3 months ago.
Hard is that I have another *big deal* to solve before and my time is too short.
In the above case, as I said here, one may considere that weights don't 'come up' before fall... Seens crazzy, but it's true and beautifull.
Question to others is just this: where to put the resistive masses?
regs. M. SP sept/01''

( second mail... bull's eye? )

[Magnum]

rlortie,

Sorry to impose on this thread to help my own. You once told me of over 1 million in prize money to be had. Would you mind posting the information in my PRIZE thread?

Thanky
Ken T.

[Fletcher]

Thanks Mike, probably will see you there. At least it won't be crowded or a circus. We'll see.

[winkle]

Fletcher

and that makes seven

we may have a gravity parade headed down the streets of new york soon

be sure to give us time to grind the confetti

wont be long before all those supper rich oil tycoons will be wringing their hands in despair

And I wish you the best of luck Fletcher. As for me, I'm bailing. I'll see you at the bottom of the hill...in a few years time.

Michael

are you just taking a break are are you giving up the search

in the end there will be many who have failed but it's only needful for one to succeed

just remember those challenging words of William Frederick Bull Halsey Jr.

dam the torpedos full speed a head

[ken_behrendt]

Well, I skimmed through the recent pages of this thread, drank in the various tidbits of information presented or implied, recalled some previous failed designs of other members and myself, and then focused in on a few pertinent illustrations from MT. Below is attached what came to mind.

I call it the "Empty Side / Heavy Side, Peacock's Tail Wheel".

Would it work? I can not tell just from a cursory evaluation. Something like this needs to either be modeled or built. I think a WM2D model of it would be a challenge...but, not an impossibility.

Enjoy...


ken

[winkle]

Winkle,
Both John Collins and myself are trying to replicate Besslers wheels.

I cannot speak you others.

Pete.

Pete

are you and John working together on a single wheel or are you takeing different paths

does the wheel you are working on use the idea spoken about in you're swinging weight thread

if this is not nosey enough i have other questions

[winkle]

I call it the "Empty Side / Heavy Side, Peacock's Tail Wheel".
ken

or the name could be

Empty Side / Heavy Side, Peacock's Tail maximum friction Wheel