A simple electric heater, which has efficiency greater than 1

[Tarsier79]

https://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy10osti/47302.pdf

[WaltzCee]

Waltzcee,
That looks like a good idea, if i could make a suggestion, maybe if you were to use a
magical energy combiner you could increase the output.

Well, to do that I'd have to get Boy George to get his head otta PeterlessA$$'s a$$, then
rumage around in there to see if such a process was available.

But seriously imagine if you discovered a process producing more energy than needed to
produce it. Would you spin your wheels in some remote corner of the Internet insulting
people? That's just plain stupid.

This crew (of one?) has nothing.

Then he wants to sell the idea. That's fraud.

Now I'll change the subject. If anyone figures out how to make a gravity powered gravity
driven (GPGD) wheel, I know investors willing to put 2 million USD to develop that idea.
This is no bull shit. The person with the idea would have to sell the investors on the idea.
I wouldn't participate in that sell.

Often people wonder what would they do if they solve this problem. There's an option.

[WaltzCee]

Igor and I went to our la-bore-ah-tore-he in the wee hours of this morning searching for
atmospheric jewels per second that appeared to be adulterating our under unity electrolysis
process, thereby destroying our hope of obtaining government subsidies. These are Igor's
notes.



We used practically every ohomic resister we could get our hands on.

[Fletcher]

Imagine if anyone in this topic heard about OU Heat Pumps !

[MrTim]

Maybe for their next trick they'll pull quarters out our ears . . .

ETA:

(I = 1A) x .87 , meaning your efficiency is LESS THAN 1

I would not mean to insult you, but you really are an obtuse asshole.

<takes a bow>

;-)

[PeterAX]

To MrTim.
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With this mathematical expression "(I = 1A) x .87" you have made a revolution not only in physics, but also in mathematics! You suffer from a serious mental disorder! Take your medicine! Triple dose!

[PeterAX]

Asking two simple related question for the 8th time.
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QUESTION 1: If I = 1A and if R = 1Ohm, then how many Joules of heat per second (J/s) does the electrolyte absorb from the external environment? WRITE DOWN THE NUMBER OF JOULES!
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QUESTION 2: How does this heat (which is absorbed each second by the electrolyte) depend on direct current I and on Ohmic resistance R? WRITE DOWN A FORMULA!
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Looking forward to your answer for the 8th time.

[PeterAX]

To Leafy.
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You seem to be one of the few reasonable members of this forum.
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1) Simple calculations (I will waste my time if I put them here, because either nobody will read them or nobody will understand them) unambiguously show that this heat-absorbing effect is either an entirely wrong hypothesis or its influence is negligible. (Because if you recharge your car's battery for example, then its outer surface temperature increases and not decreases. If you touch the outer surface of a standard industrial elelctrolyzer (while it is working), then you feel hotness and not coldness. All industrial electrolyzers have to be relularly cooled down because otherwise they will be over-heated. And these are only some of the most simple and typical examples.)
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2) What exactly is this device, which generates cold instead of heat while electrolysis occurs? What is its name? What (industrial or other) reasons it is made for? Who has made it? Who are its creators? What are their names? How to contact them? Please give some more detailed information in order to evaluate the reliability of your information sources.
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Looking forward to your answer.

[eccentrically1]

Asking two simple related question for the 8th time.
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QUESTION 1: If I = 1A and if R = 1Ohm, then how many Joules of heat per second (J/s) does the electrolyte absorb from the external environment? WRITE DOWN THE NUMBER OF JOULES!
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QUESTION 2: How does this heat (which is absorbed each second by the electrolyte) depend on direct current I and on Ohmic resistance R? WRITE DOWN A FORMULA!
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Looking forward to your answer for the 8th time.

Answer 1. Zero joules of heat per second is absorbed by the electrolyte from the environment.

Answer 2. 1V = 1A X 1&#937;

[Leafy]

Ok, let’s talk theory.

Where is your heater OU energy comes from?

[Tarsier79]

Splitting a mole of liquid water to produce a mole of hydrogen at 25°C requires 285.8 kJ of energy—237.2 kJ as electricity and 48.6 kJ as heat; there is no way around this fact. In PEM and alkaline electrolysis cells the heat requirement is supplied from the extra heat generated, due to internal resistance as the electric and ionic currents flow through the cell. T his heat requirement is directly traceable back to the electricity supplied. In other words, 285.8 kJ—not 237.2 kJ—of electricity is the minimum required to split water in these cells. This translates into a cell voltage of 1.481 volts, not the 1.229 volts used in calculating the theoretical maximum electrical efficiency of a fuel cell.

[WaltzCee]

You're beginning to make too much sense, Tarsier. Not that I mind, however the possibility
exists you could be the cause of Peterless's head to explode. That is if you actually caused
this ignoramus to think.

Imagine if anyone in this topic heard about OU Heat Pumps !

And that sir is why you make the big bucks.

[WaltzCee]

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Hi George,
Thank you for your reply.
1) You have no time pressure? This is very good! Time is an extremely valuable treasure.
2) You have found different ways how to harvest energy from gravity as well as from separation of water into hydrogen and oxygen? This sounds very interesting! Would you give some more details, if possible?
3) About the business plan. Well, I got already a lot of indirect information that many inventors do not patent their inventions, but sell them as a know-how, that is, they sell, let's say, to a company several sheets of paper (containing the description of the invention) with or without a working prototype. Are you familiar with such an approach of making money from an invention?
Looking forward to your answer.
Regards,
George1

amazing.

[WaltzCee]

these guys are scoundrels.

[WaltzCee]

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Hi Georg,
Thank you for your reply.
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1) You wrote: "I made bad experience passing information away for money.
Then you have a contract, and the other side is not fulfilling it."
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1A) Well, money first and after that the information? Or this approach is not possible/suitable? But any technology spy firstly receives the money and after that he/she sends the stealed technology information to the related rival company. There aren't any contracts. Everything is based on verbal arrangments. What do you think about this method of selling of technology information? Money first and after that the information? (Inventors like you and me are neither spys nor stealers but we only want some more security and guarantees related to our intellectual property.)
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1B) Which is the company that did not fulfill your contract? (May be contact about this through personal emails.)
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2) You wrote: "I will find a way, but that needs also time, connection to the right people and a lot of lobby work." Time + connection to the right people + a lot of lobby work = finding a way? How's that? Some more information about this original approach/way, if possible? (May be contact about this through personal emails.)
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3) You wrote: " The inventions are rather simple and already used in the wrong way." Used in a wrong way? How's that? Please explain.
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Looking forward to your answer.
Regards,
George1

I'm now just reading this thread, and I'm glad I am. What a bunch of scamers.