Motion Generator

[rlortie]

Not exactly subject matter regarding this thread, but here is the Lutec patent.

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6630806.pdf

If for no other reason, one may find this web home page of value.

If you need a laugh! click on the "crazy Patent" link.

Ralph

[ken_behrendt]

Ralph...

I went through the crazy patents and found one that shows promise. It's Patent #5593398 for the "Protective underwear with malodorous flatus filter". Yes, someone has finally decided to address this problem!

I'm starting to think that the major cause of air pollution that is underlying all of our weather shifting Greenhouse Effect is not SUV exhaust, but, rather, an out of control flatulence problem! Hopefully, the inventor of this ingenious device can come up with one that can fit the bovine rump as well as the human one. Once these daily emissions are eliminated we can look forward to better weather and cleaner healthier air...sounds like it would also be cheaper in the long run than having to manufacture billions of gallons of "Beano".


ken

[rlortie]

Here is an interesting statement by Norman Bollinger on Eric Vogles minatowheel forum.

Graham - I recommend you do it like I did on a tiltable axis because then you can adjust the gravity to match the magnet forces. If mine is tilted to high then it will not work the same. Remember - I got to this point by using smaller forces so that I could see them better ie. magnets at a distance, not a vertical pendulum but a sloped one and even some metal to hide some of the magnet forces on one side.

see this if you forget...

http://student.ccbcmd.edu/~norman/magwork.html

This crazy pendulum is out of the box - it goes higher than its dropped spot. But we all know that is impossible because all energy is conserverd so just go drink a couple of beers and maybe it will go away.

I also think that one magnet is flat and the other is vertical is one of the tricks and those designs have been posted on this list.

If we only knew what magnets were we would not be having this discussion.

I'd love to see another magnets do work prooved to wake up the "in the boxers"

Norman

[ken_behrendt]

Ralph...

I tried all of the video .avi file links, but they are no longer working.

I have also wondered if it might be possible to get a pendulum to swing higher than the height of its release point by using some sort of SMOT type device to "assist" it at the bottom of each swing.

Hmmm...that's starting to give me ideas!


ken

[SeaWasp]

Ken.. I just downloaded the videos from the web site.. Right click and select "save target as"..

[rlortie]

Ken,

I just check Norman's links and at first they were slow even with DSL. The second time it was much faster. I am using Window Media Player as my default downloader.

Main point being that they are working for me!

Ralph

[ken_behrendt]

I tried it again and still no good. I just kept getting the "Page Not Found" message. When I try the "Save Target As..." option, the download page appears, but then a pop up appears saying that the file can not be found to be downloaded. Maybe it's an issue related to my use of a 56 kbps phone modem?

Oh well, maybe one of you guys can post a frame from the video showing how he manages to get the magnet to swing to a height higher than that from which it was released.


ken

P.S. one has to be particularly careful with downloads from unknown sources...that's a major way computer viruses get spread.

[rlortie]

Ken,

<P.S. one has to be particularly careful with downloads from unknown sources...that's a major way computer viruses get spread.>

Norman Bollinger is definitely not an unknown source, at least not for me and a few hundred others that are aware of his pendulum research. I have had knowledge of and communicated with him for over three years that I can remember and possibly longer.

He is a very reputable person as well as dedicated to magnet research.

You can find him at jlnlabs, minatowheel, and half a dozen other forums.
Do a google search on him and you will be busy for a while.

Ralph

[ken_behrendt]

Ralph...

Based on your recommendation of Mr. Bollinger, it would seem that one need not fear accepting any downloads from him. Unfortunately, I still can not download his .avi files...

On his website he mentions something about "unsymmetricallizing magnetic fields" that "assist" the pendulum. Apparently, he does manage to get the pendulum to swing higher than the height of its release point. BUT, this might only be because he must input energy into the system to overcome initial magnetic repulsions when he first positions the pendulum prior to its release. If so, then he is not obtaining any sort of OU out of the pendulum.


ken

[winkle]

look to me like he only that boost once

[rlortie]

Ken,

Unfortunately I am not a computer whiz who can assist you in opening his link. I have not had any problems and do not know why you can't.

What is your default media player application? Real player, Windows media, Quick time, ETC.

I do feel that I am blessed with the aptitude to explain a little of his video.

The pendulum is set at a slight angle, this angle to my thinking is not enough for a simple pendulum to achieve natural amplitude be simple dropping as its descending plane is way to shallow. Even with this decrease of gravity it is capable of reaching higher on the ascending side than a true vertical pendulum.

There are two magnets making up the pendulum and one stationed at six o'clock. By all physical standards it would appear that it is producing work because of the extended travel.

Winkle is correct as it appears this extra conservative energy is
re-captured when the pendulum starts its return swing.

one might be inclined to look at it as a pendulum SMOT with only one magnet for a track. If he could get it to go over the top, then he would be in business.

Ralph

[JuddBrooks]

For Ken and others interested.

taken from the third link. Falls from 2 oclock and stops around 11:30 in a 3 second video. pendulum currently point down to around 6 o'clock

[ken_behrendt]

Ralph...

I have both the Real Player and Windows Media and I still can not download the .avi files. Maybe there is some security safeguard that I have activated that is blocking the download.


Judd...

Thanks for the frame from one of the videos. I think I understand what he is trying to accomplish. I tried something similar to this decades ago, but could not get it to run. However, my design had the pendulum / rotor arm swinging in the horizontal plane.

Below I've attached a design for a similar device with the arm swinging in a vertical plane. Maybe this would work because it will then use the gravitational pull on the rotor's magnetic weight to overcome the initial magnetic repulsion as the magnetic weight is reinserted at the beginning of the circular magnetic acceleration rail.


ken

[Wheeler]

Hello Ken
Am I missing something?

Your arrangement is a brake.

It is called a magnetic brake. It is for stopping not going.

[ken_behrendt]

Wheeler...

The gadget I sketched is supposed to consist of a free swinging pendulum whose weight is a small bar or disc magnet. The fixed stator ring is supposed to, via magnetic repulsion, accelerate the pendulum weight so that it swings CW with enough of a buildup in kinetic energy to go up and over TDC. Then as the pendulum weight begins to fall down on the right side of its pivot, it will, hopefully, have enough momentum to overcome the counter magnetic repulsion it encounters as in enters the beginning portion of the stator ring.

I never tried a vertical arrangement as I illustrated. But, if the SMOT can work, then I would think this arrangement might too.


ken