Elliptical Track

[GraViTaR]

The reason an elliptical path is important is because you can have greater speed at one point of the ellipse compared to other points of the ellipse. That's what Bessler realized. The orbits of comets were a new and exciting subject of science during Bessler's day and he was able to see that there was something very important going on there. My design duplicates the orbit of a comet whereas it is traveling much more quickly at one end of the ellipse than at the other end.

[rlortie]

GraViTaR,

I see you are busy on other forums as well as here. You now have a thread here four pages long of debate.

Have you ever built such a device that you keep saying will work? Where is the substantiated proof that an elliptical path is or was so important to Bessler?

You keep referring to "my design"... have you built it and does it run?

[GraViTaR]

It is clear to see by the design that the balls will travel faster on one end of the ellipse than at the other end, exactly like a comet in orbit around the sun.

Let's look at the conical rod array by itself without the wagon wheel. Now let's only have two balls on opposing rods. Ball A is at 9:00, which is further from the hub and has more torque than Ball B at 3:00, which is closer to the hub. If you let it go from that state, it will start rotating counter-clockwise because of the difference in distance from the hub of each ball. When Ball A reaches 6:00 and Ball B is at 12:00, they are equidistant to the hub. Obviously, the wheel does not stop rotating at this point. Momentum keeps the wheel turning and Ball B is now moving farther away from the hub and gaining more torque and Ball A is moving closer to the hub and losing torque.

Now let's go back to having all eight balls on the wheel. All the balls on the downward side of the wheel are farther away from the hub and thus have more torque than all the balls on the upward side; at all times. There is always more torque on the downward half of the wheel. It will maintain its own momentum.

Now let's isolate the wagon wheel. The balls roll up and down inside the spokes of the wagon wheel describing an ellipse. Not only is the ball at 9:00 producing the most torque since it is at its farthest point from the hub, it is also traveling faster than any other ball on the wheel at that point. The increase in speed adds to the downward force. This recreates the comet's orbit.

Nowhere else in nature do we find anything moving in a highly elliptical path other than a comet. The key is using the greater speed found at the one end of the ellipse as opposed to the other.

[AB Hammer]

rlortie wrote

GraViTaR,

I see you are busy on other forums as well as here. You now have a thread here four pages long of debate.

Have you ever built such a device that you keep saying will work? Where is the substantiated proof that an elliptical path is or was so important to Bessler?

You keep referring to "my design"... have you built it and does it run?

So GraViTaR

Have you ever tried built a wheel? For real! and not just a computer simulation? If you are so convinced, you now need to have physical proof. With out the next step, the debate is over and the words become of no help. We some times convince ourselves that this is it, and it becomes a form of tunnel vision. This tends to make us miss good advice and changes that would help and working on the wheels will always tell you a different story. I myself average about 3 wheels a month, and I draw over a dozen. Keep an open mind, and look for other possibilities as well, that is the best advice at this time for most of us.

I do wish you luck.

[DrWhat]

Alan, 3 wheels a month! Very impressive.

[rmd3]

Alan,

Wow! three a month.... I average one every six months to a year if I'm lucky... but my drawings... soooo many. I get drawings underway and then I'm interrupted with new ideas and then my head spins like Bessler's wheel.... :)

-Randall

[AB Hammer]

DrWhat

Thanks

rmd3

I know what you mean, but I am beginning to think thats my natural state of mind. LOL
In my job I have made thousands of armour patterns and fitting armour to my customers, so patterning is fairly normal for me, due to doing it for over 20 years.

[GraViTaR]

I'm a great admirer of Tesla and his methodology.

I also agree with his attitude towards Edison and his.