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I have looked over your mechanism , i think it is good .

However i don't believe it is the actual mechanism of Besslers wheel .
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Thank you Broli, excellent work. But your wheel is turning the wrong way. Look at the six o'clock position. The red weight should be able to fall to the right as it reaches the critical point, and not to the left if it is to turn the way yours is.

If you can make it turn anticlockwise so that as it reaches the six o'clock point it will fall as it is doing now and that would be right.

In other words it's falling the right way but that is in spite of the fact that the wheel is turning the wrong way.

Don't take offence at my criticism - I could not even make an animation!
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Joshua I'm going to video the movement and probably youtube it.

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When you have a mechanism that interconnects two (or more) weights, a simple method to determine how the weights will move is to connect the two weights with a line and if the weights are equal mass then you divide the line in half t5o find the center of mass. Gravity will pull downward on the center of mass causing the weights to move however. This also will give you a sense as to whether the overall wheel is OOB.

If the weights are not equal then you divide the line proportionally. This is a static-type test. A dynamic test involving CF and momentum is of course more complex but similar.


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John Collins wrote:Thank you Broli, excellent work. But your wheel is turning the wrong way. Look at the six o'clock position. The red weight should be able to fall to the right as it reaches the critical point, and not to the left if it is to turn the way yours is.

If you can make it turn anticlockwise so that as it reaches the six o'clock point it will fall as it is doing now and that would be right.

In other words it's falling the right way but that is in spite of the fact that the wheel is turning the wrong way.

Don't take offence at my criticism - I could not even make an animation!
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Like this?;

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I have to admit that it looks strange like that. I thought you wanted to move the green mass up at 6 o'clock.

Here's a paste over of your picture in the illustration:

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Is that its wrong location?
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John Collins wrote:I'm curious to know if anyone thinks there is any potential in designing a system which complies with the idea of parametric oscillation? I am sure that that a swing has the potential to provide rotation, just lookat the kiiking people - it looks so simple.

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I do think there is great potential as I pointed out earlier in this thread. I am pasting the relevant part of that post below.

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I agree that the action of the Kiiking riders is the key to understanding how energy is obtained Ersatz Gravity (EG) system by the action of Newtonian Gravity (NG)

What it really needs is someone to model a Kiiking Rider with all the articulation that a human provides since there are two forms of action that need to be studied, the up and down motion of the rider (parametric pendulum) and the rotational motion, i.e the more traditional swing motion of a seated child. I suspect Kiikingvriders intuitively supply some optimum mixture of the two.

Someone used to designing and building radio controlled aeroplanes would be the ideal candidate to investigate this. Like the Kiiking Riders he might intuitively arrive as the optimum manipulation of his input joysticks to the point where gravity takes over.

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Greetings All

here is a similar approach that Alone and I did a while back. It did not work and you may see some similar problems as well.

http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/downl ... er=user_id
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broli wrote:Here's an attempt of animating the mechanism you mention.

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It's a nice animation, but none of the red weights are obeying the laws of gravity, most of the time...
i.e. they conveniently float in the air.

John should have been able to see that his solution doesn't work, if he had spent ten minutes modelling it on a computer.
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This is just a quick "running the frames backward".

Obviously still not right.
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dradford wrote:
It's a nice animation, but none of the red weights are obeying the laws of gravity, most of the time...
i.e. they conveniently float in the air.

John should have been able to see that his solution doesn't work, if he had spent ten minutes modelling it on a computer.
Perhaps if you spent 10 minutes thinking you would have deduced that they get locked in place after making the jump, as that's exactly what I did in wm2d to make the animation.

The animation isn't to show that the principle works or not, I'll leave that to the able ones. It's just to help visualizing the concept.
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Hope you all see that the animations is draw the oposite way/function ???
(except John that ofcourse knows wich way the weights will fall naturally, as he has made the mechs..)

This is so basic.. that it is the centerweight (red) that should trig/lift the green in those animations, and that the wheel should turn down on the side that has extended the outher weight..

I did a simulation, and did not find anything special....yet.....

(What about the horse in front ? ;-)
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John, I now get it.. 8]

This pump swing motion is bidirectional, in that it will produce it's effect going clockwise or anti clockwise (like on a pendulum swing) .. It will just work both ways, thus, the benefit of having a shifter mechanism that gets the pumping help whichever way it's going !
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Here's my issue with John and his design. For months he has been saying he knows the principle behind Bessler's wheel. When it comes time to reveal his design he ignores most all written clues BUT all the new clues ( that he pulled out of his a-- ) fit his design. How can someone say they know the principle and ignore Bessler's own words?
John, How many written clues do not match your design? Quite a few?
How can you ignore this?
Coming up with new designs is always a good thing but
claiming ( with certainty ) it is Bessler's principle is not.

Sorry, I'm usually not this hard on someone but it doesn't make any sense
how John, with his vast knowledge of the written clues, can do this.
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Broli, Thanks for the animation!
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I said on my web site that this was an abbreviated explanation. I haven't ignored the written clues, I just didn't bother to mention them. I'll add more confirmations over the next few days, to the last page on the web site.

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