NOTHING More than a wheel with swinging weights...

[Art]

So what eventuated with that patent application Raj,

Did they give it to you ?

[raj]

No Art.

The patent application was only patent pending.
I did not actuate it, within the prescribe 12 months time.

Raj

[raj]

Here is the rejuvenated concept drawing:

1 is wheel.
2 is axle.
3 are channels.
4 is pair of pendulums.
5 are diametrically opposite arms of pendulums with fix pulleys on ends.
6 are cylindrical weights/pulleys.
7 are elastic strings/belts.

Elastic strings/belts pass over pulleys on pendulums and on diametrically opposite cylindrical weights/pulleys, and get fully stretched to their maximum circumference when pair of diametrically opposite weights/pulleys are at the lowest position at 12 o'clock and highest position at 6 o'clock.

In this concept, torque will be provided by weight/pulley on the descending side, when first falling further away from the 3 o'clock position because of the relaxed elastic string/belt and then rising back (resetting) at 6 o'clock as the elastic string/belt is stretched back to its maximum circumference.

N.B: the lifting of weights is done by the rotating wheel using torque provided by the weights, using just gravitational force.

Raj

[bruno]

Hello Raj, congratulation on your inventive and for modesty and education; I would like to know all your ideas, the most important in relation to gravity; if you can tell the pages in which are published or a PDF where are all collected. Thanks and congratulations still to Bruno.

[raj]

Hello Bruno.

All my attempts since my Open University UK days coming in contact with notion of perpetual motion machine, some 50+ years ago, have been finding a torque driven wheel concept using gravity as only input force.

You can find all my recorded attempts on this forum, since I joined BW.com in December 2009, after becoming a full time retired old age PMM searcher.

Raj

[AB Hammer]

Hi raj

I like the way you put it and hoping to join in on (a full time retired old age PMM searcher)
On your last diagram reminded me of this wheel that came out of gentleman's magazine about the time of Bessler's death. A person only going by Mr AB and his wheel shown here on this link. Similar thought pattern.

http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/download.php?id=15293

[raj]

Hello AB,

Exceptionally good design you had/have.

1. We have to provide the wheel with some energy/force to get it rotating from its static position. That should require some external push/pull force.

2. The wheel must rotate the required time in order for weights to move inside the wheel, swap their positions and provide some additional torque to the wheel, while it is still rotating, past the starting static position.

3. This is the resetting puzzle I am working on.
It must be the motion/rotation of the wheel that should guide/force the motions of the weights in an asymmetric path to enable the weights to provode that resetting torque/force on the descending side.

I remember Bessler's TETHERING> like animals forced to move in an enclosed area when grazing in the pasture.

Raj

[Georg Künstler]

Hi Ray,
a system must not be resetted to run. The force had only applied at the right time. So I assume you have such a timing problem in your designs.

We know that swinging is the key as Bessler said. But it cannot be a pedulum alone. It must be 2 or more penduums to get an addidion/substraction of the swinging amplitude. make an overlay with two sine shape swingings ans you will see what I mean.
make an overlay with a sine shape and a saw shape frequence.

The only way to achive this is a two stage oscillator. If your constructions don't have this possbility to swing, they will not work. This is a precondition. IMO

Another condition is that the pendulums must be top heavy so that the energy level is above the middle axle. A T-Pendulum is a good example. you can put tons on top, if it is well balanced. and you can relaease it when ever you want. with a normal pendullum you cannot achive this.

[raj]

Hello Georg,
Thank you.

It's nice of you and others to have something to say about my wheel concept.

In this (my) current wheel concept, the pendulums I mention are not used as a pendulum in its true meaning.

My pendulums are only shape of a real pendulum, in as much, there is a lever/bar hanging from a pivot ( the axle), having a heavy weight as a bob would look in true pendulum.

My pendulums here, are ONLY to keep the arms and pulleys in a horizontal position as much as possible.

The work that my pendulums and the arms with pulleys are expected to do, is simply to allow the elastic strings/ belts to stretch and relax depending on the positions of the weights changing as the wheel rotates.

In fact the less my pendulums swing, the better the wheel concept will be, trying to keep my two pulleys in fix points, guiding the motion of the elastic strings/belts and the weights, as much as possible.

In this sense, my pendulums and pulleys are doing the most vital job, in my wheel concept.

The lifting of the weights at the 6 o'clock is DONE by the stretching of the elastic string/belt as the wheel rotates because torque is being provided by the weights themselves, at the time of lifting.

Raj

[Georg Künstler]

Hi Raj,

can you explain me, where in your concept you have a 2 stage oscillation ?
Where do you break the symmetrie of forces, left/right in the wheel ?
Which of the 2 Bessler constructions do you want to create? The one directional or the bi-directional ?

What will set your concept wheel in motion ?
The one directional wheel starts itself, because you have a one sided gravity force from beginning.

The bi-directional wheel arranges the weights after the first impact, the noise was clearly heard from many persons.

So for which concept are you looking for ?

[raj]

Hello Georg.

I shall to try to explain and reply to your questions as plainly as I can, so that others can understand my thought process.

But First, I would like to remind, what I have said several times on this forum, and lastly on this very thread.

I first heard of the problem of perpetual motion machine, in about 1969, when I was about 24 years old, living and working in UK.
I seriously began thinking about PMM after I got married and started my undergraduate course with the Open University, in UK, which I completed in 1980, with a BA in Maths and Computer Science.

The first I came to learn about Bessler only when I became deeply involved in my search for a PMM wheel and found Besslerwheel.com online, in 2009.

So, therefore I am not searching for a Bessler wheel as such, because apart from what I have read on this forum, I do not really know what and how to look for.

I do not have scientific background to apply in my search for a wheel. I am only using my human logics to try to solve this PMM myth, a bit like what Sherlock Holmes would do to solve a crime mystery.

Now answers to your questions:

Question 1.
I am expecting little or NO oscillation of my two pendulums, and certainly, there is no two stage oscillation. The two pendulums I am using will work as one, only allowing me to fix a pulley between their horizontal arms, such that the elastic strings/belts can easy pass below and above the pulleys without being hindered by a single bob.

Question 2.

The symmetry of forces can be broken of either left or right, depending on which side the initial starting torque is provided to the wheel.
My drawing above shows that the wheel is set to rotate clockwise, with the weight at 4/5 o'clock is slightly further away on the descending side, and the weight at 3 o'clock is set to roll clockwise with the slightest clockwise motion on the wheel.
If we give an initial starting force to the wheel to rotate counter-clockwise, the positions of the weights in my drawing will reverse, and then the weights will begin to show counter-clockwise torque, and the wheel set to rotate counter-clockwise.

Question 3.

An initial external force will set the wheel in motion, like a push or pull required to start bi-directional wheel.

Question 4.

I am looking for a PMM concept, using gravity as the main input force.

Raj

[raj]

This wheel concept does not provide sufficient torque to counter the multiple strings/belts friction points.

Raj

[sleepy]

Greetings Raj!
That's the way to do it! Come up with an idea,sketch it out,build it (or sim) and if it doesn't work,learn from it and move on.You have had so many wonderful ideas over the years and you are still one of the most active members.I look forward to your next design.

[raj]

Hello Sleepy.

Your encouragement is heartfelt.

Thank you.

Raj