What should someone do with a solution?

[Furcurequs]

There is always the possibility of a secrecy order being placed on the patent application, which is simply the government deciding that they will steal your idea and give you nothing in return, claiming it is for national security. Then you are out of options. It is better to at least place the concept out in the open before the powers-that-be declare it a secret. If a patent issues then fine. If a secrecy order is issued, then the world will still know how it works, and the secrecy gag order will have no effect. Thus the initial patent application MUST be very well written such that almost no changes need to be made in order for it to issue. Energy related patents can be accelerated to issue sooner. One must have all his ducks lined up in a row before hand. Of course the patent office will demand to see a working model. By that time there should already be many working models and replication by others proving that it works and preventing any secrecy gag orders.

The goal is to control the situation enough so that others never control you or the wheel. Only when you fully own it can you freely give it away, if that be your desire.

The Federation of American Scientists has a Project on Government Secrecy and as a part of that they also include a section on their website about Invention Secrecy:

http://www.fas.org/sgp/othergov/invention/

Amongst some of the interesting information there, I found the following - which would seem to indicate that Congress may now be thinking about the issuing of secrecy orders on "Economically Significant Patents" for being "detrimental" to the United States' "economic security"! ...as well as perhaps making changes to procedures regarding patents related to "national security".

Notice of Request for Comments on the Feasibility of Placing
Economically Significant Patents Under a Secrecy Order and the Need To
Review Criteria Used in Determining Secrecy Orders Related to National
Security

AGENCY: United States Patent and Trademark Office, Department of
Commerce.

ACTION: Notice of request for comments.

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SUMMARY: Pursuant to a request from Congress, the United States Patent
and Trademark Office (USPTO) is seeking comments as to whether the
United States should identify and bar from

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publication and issuance certain patent applications as detrimental to
the nation's economic security. The USPTO is also seeking comments on
the desirability of changes to the existing procedures for reviewing
applications that might be detrimental to national security.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/news/2012/04/pto-fr.html

Of course, our conspiracy theorists believe they already do that, I guess.

Dwayne

[Dwylbtzle]

a gravity wheel would not technically be a "perpetual motion machine"-
-(which would break some physical law)-
any more than a water wheel or windmill would be
-because it depends on an outside source of energy

[Aman]

Definately yes,I agree with you,Dwylbtzle!

That is why I always call the word"Perpetual" as a Virus killing human brain's ability to think about the reality.

And yes free energy Suppresion is also true on some online science forums.This is my experience on many Science forums where I tried to share my ideas and I was blocked or mentally insulted and where moderators were not ready to accept that Gravity engines can be made and are not perpetual.

Previously I thought that Free energy Suppresion is false but my experience on Internet tells a different story to myself.

It was like you see a continuous energy source in front of you(Gravitational Continous energy) and then you say that such a energy source does not exist.

One most foolish comment was"Gravity is a force,not a source of energy" by two different people on 2 different science forums online.

See my blog on this website(presently has 3 articles),you will find real proofs of viability of gravity engines.

[Dwylbtzle]

i'm not worried about being insulted by anyone or dissed by any forum moderator--i'm worried about having a gag order slapped on me "for reasons of national security" or killed or something

[Aman]

Do you mean you also have faced similar problem?
I would suggest,apply different individual national patents in some underdeveloped and developing countries and not in US first.Getting a patent in some countries is easrier if your device do not violate Laws of Thermodyanamics.It may not be always easier in US.

[Dwylbtzle]

not yet
my worries could be silly
or they might be real
how would one know until he gets froggy and jumps?
THEN if the worries are real
it's too late
any precautions one might take had better well already be in place

[ovyyus]

Dwylbtzle, perhaps get something working THEN worry about assassins? :D

One most foolish comment was"Gravity is a force,not a source of energy" by two different people on 2 different science forums online.

They are both correct. Gravity is not an energy source any more than a spring is an energy source. Why is no one able to physically demonstrate their belief to the contrary?

[Dwylbtzle]

maybe i have a working model and maybe i don't
either way i certainly wouldn't admit it in here
and i would advise anyone, who does, not to reveal any details of it in here, either
if anyone wants to stop anyone from doing anything, this would be a dang good place to monitor
which is a compliment to this site
(it sure caught MY attention--[years ago])

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a spring is an energy storage unit
it doesn't become an energy "source" until energy has been put into it
either by stretching it or compressing it

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gravity is not a "force" in the normal sense of the word

a thing wants to go down because time runs a little slower there
(towards any mass--because any concentration of mass slows down time a tiny bit)
and since there is NO force stopping it--it HAS to go that direction
because more of that thing's future lies in that direction
and more of its past lies in the other
so it isn't GOING in that direction
it's ISing in that direction
and who shall let it?
therefore if you have a box with some kinda bessler/type gravity wheel in it
there is no gravity beam or gravitron stream or frequency or current
going into it, from the earth
that's causing any gravity effect you might be seeing
nothing that can be reversed with crafty electronics, er wartever
but there is a purely mechanical way to tap it
just as there are various purely mechanical ways to tap a wind flow or water stream

[ovyyus]

maybe i have a working model and maybe i don't...

I guess you wouldn't be here if you did :D

[Dwylbtzle]

nice GUESS

[ovyyus]

thought SO

[Dwylbtzle]

the operative words being THINK
and GUESS

[Dwylbtzle]

ok
so i see yer a CIA agent/ illuminatai member trying to get me to confess, right?

what are they paying you?
i will quadruple it if you work for me and be my mole on the inside

is it a deal?

[Aman]

One most foolish comment was"Gravity is a force,not a source of energy" by two different people on 2 different science forums online.

They are both correct. Gravity is not an energy source any more than a spring is an energy source. Why is no one able to physically demonstrate their belief to the contrary?

They are violating laws of Thermodyanamics.If they r correct then,Gravitational force occurs without energy,which would mean that anything can move without supply of energy.This is not possible.If they are correct then apple should fall on ground without any attacking energy but with attacking force,which is not possible.

Wait for sometime,I may demonstrate a working Gravity engine (not fully a wheel) soon after recieving patent.

There are only 2 reasions for non working gravity wheel.

1)No proper logic with no equation accounting problems.
2) frictional losses and back EMF.

If you see 2 of my blog Articles,
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/weblo ... .php?e=151

And

http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/weblo ... .php?e=153

You will find proper scientific proof of Gravity power validity.

For your information,Cold fussion by Roswell is becoming successful.If that is possible,why not gravity engines.

Ovyyus,are you the same type of persions as that of those two who want to violate Laws of Thermodyanamics and those who lack Commonsense.
Do you know how idiotic their statements appear?,they call themselves as "well versed in basic physics" and are against gravity engines and yet foolishly make such nonsense statements.

One of the most important parameter which is neglected in gravity wheel attempts which I saw is this:

95 percent working Gravity engines work on the principle that the Gravity engine/Gravity wheel systems are innovatively designed to take in (consume) much more Gravitational energy than what energy needed to lift heavy ball upward. 

The most problematic thing with many people is they do not think how more amount of gravity can be inputted to gravity powered engine ,than that needed to take ball up. 

If you substract total Gravitational energy input from the energy needed to lift heavy balls up in a gravity wheel,you get some net gravitational energy which is the net energy input to the system(input after subtraction) which can be converted to electrical energy.This is the scientific basis for any real Gravity engine.And hence real Gravity engines are not perpetual and do not violate Laws of energy conservation. 

And I am surprised to know that most people at bessler wheels forum who are trying to make Gravity wheel do not consider this.If you do not consider this,you will never be able to make a gravity wheel. 

[ovyyus]

i will quadruple it if you work for me and be my mole on the inside

is it a deal?

Absolutely! The Grand Poopa's master plan is toast. Just send me your bank account details and I'll set up the transfer :D