Smith66 should be banned.

[rlortie]

Tarzier 79 and i had a bit of a "spate"...we ignore each other....no big deal....so why can't you guys do this....i take no sides...but all this is harmful to this Excellent Forum...move on please.

I agree!

Tarzier publicly stated that he was putting me on his "ignore" list. I accept that and have no problem with it. I simply do not respond to his input or post on his threads. He in turn has not posted anything referencing my involvement here.

I have no one on "Ignore" I simply ignore those that add insult to injury and feel they should be banned. Those of higher rank that refuse to ignore should realize that they are arguing with fools, knocking them down to their level. Such repetitive posts should weigh heavy on ones reputation scoring.

Ralph

[smith66]

rasselasss, why don't you ask Jim Lindgaard, Murilo, and Cloud camper to "bury the hatchet and move on"? They are the ones that constantly attack others without provocation. Time after time, they simply post an assault, not against an idea, but against persons. Their post don't add to the discussion. So why do they post such crap as ...

... he's a cold and fake hacker, a monster, addicted to himself, a mad predator with shadow objectives...

... which are to build here the book of his life, his false and forced 'geniality', ignoring all the rest of obvious facts, human and tech evidences... together to his bitter gang!

Why doesn't he stays just caring about his own site? Why not? There he's the absolute king of nothing! Why not to start his own forum on BW?

What does this have to do with Bessler's wheel? Absolutely nothing! It is simply an attempt at defamation.

And Jim Lindgaard posts outright lies ...

@ab hammer and jim_mich,
I think it is as I have mentioned, your credibility is at stake and defaming me is the only way you have left.
Neither one of you can show one build or thread attributed to Bessler's work.

My objective here is simple. To turn the forum back to its roots, where we discussed ideas and searched for truth. Instead it has become a cesspool of lying and name calling.

Show a build Jim_Mich. I haven't seen you or ab hammer build anything yet you 2 are the ones who are doing ALL of the attacking.
Asking if a tree makes a sound if no one hears it does not constitute trying to understand Bessler's wheel. You and ab hammer both have posted that there is NOTHING in Bessler's drawings when Bessler himself said there is.
What you and ab hammer have done is turn this forum into your own personal bitch session.
With you jim_mich, it's I'm an old man and I'm trying to keep my mind sharp. If everyone doesn't kiss up to me, I'll get mad.
And with ab hammer, it's don't look at me because I'm always pointing my finger at somebody else.
there is a story called the thin man and a part of it's lesson is that fat lazy people don't appreciate the work other people do when all they do is sit around feeling sorry for themselves.
Yep, if this forum is about discrediting Bessler, then jim_mich and ab hammer should be it's conscience.

And Alan, last week, where my colon was attached to another part of my body, it finally gave way. Now the resulting trauma is causing severe inflammation in my colon. And remember, I weigh less than 190 lbs. while you weigh in excess of 340 lbs. I can not eat anything I want like you can. yet you will say I am making excuses.
Most people would never be as openly rude as you and as insulting towards a cancer survivor saying all they are is a whiny assed cry baby while you don't work and have no job because you live off of disability payments which I do not receive.

And jim_mich, defend alan. After all, my projects are none of his concern because in the last 6 or 7 years, all he has done si ridicule me which is why it's all that he has.
He could've worked with me but was to lazy to learn or work at something. And with you being retired, you're just a bored retiree with nothing else to do but tend to your garden.
Why this forum has gone bad.

[jim_mich]

Jim Lindgaard, back off!

Show a build Jim_Mich. I haven't seen you or ab hammer build anything

Open your eyes and browse my album at: http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/download.php?u=53

Note that my user number is 53, which means that I have been a member since the forum started. And I've posted many ideas about many wheels.

Just because you are ignorant of these postings is no reason to claim that I've not built anything.

Those of higher rank that refuse to ignore should realize that they are arguing with fools, knocking them down to their level. Such repetitive posts should weigh heavy on ones reputation scoring.

There are two ways to handle fools. Ignore them or answer back.

I cannot win either way. I would be more than happy to ignore them. But they refuse to ignore me.

When ignored, these fools keep disrupting threads with their foolishness. When shown their foolishness, they act even more foolish.

[rlortie]

JIm_ Mich wrote:

So by cloud campers own words, he intends to highjack every thread I start, and turn it into a CF debate.

Jim, this is what creates my puzzlement. You claim or indicate that you have the answer to a Cf driven design, yet in the last couple of months you have started a number of new threads related to your beliefs. IMO you are fishing for ideas leading one to believe you do not have the answer, otherwise you would be progressing with your build.

If you have it, guys like Smith66 and Cloud camper would not give you reason to respond as you have done below, in fact this whole forum would become irrelevant to you until you are ready to announce your success.

Cloud camper, back off!

In effect, you are asking me to make full disclosure of the method and the mechanical means of implementing the method. Both are intellectual property. Asking me to disclose such information is unethical on your part.

If you do not wish to talk about it, then stop starting threads related to it! You are becoming your own worst enemy by bait fishing and not throwing back the trash fish.

Ralph

[smith66]

Jim Lindgaard, back off!

Show a build Jim_Mich. I haven't seen you or ab hammer build anything

Open your eyes and browse my album at: http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/download.php?u=53

Note that my user number is 53, which means that I have been a member since the forum started. And I've posted many ideas about many wheels.

Just because you are ignorant of these postings is no reason to claim that I've not built anything.

Those of higher rank that refuse to ignore should realize that they are arguing with fools, knocking them down to their level. Such repetitive posts should weigh heavy on ones reputation scoring.

There are two ways to handle fools. Ignore them or answer back.

I cannot win either way. I would be more than happy to ignore them. But they refuse to ignore me.

When ignored, these fools keep disrupting threads with their foolishness. When shown their foolishness, they act even more foolish.

jim_mich,
So ?
Yetyou and alan harass me, because I AM doing something.
That's kind of backwards don't you think ? ban someone for working openly I think sends the wrong message.
And there is that attacking a cancer survivor thing. Not sure how you consider that credible and unlike you, I am showing my work and showing why it is Bessler's.
If you say Bessler used centrifugal force, then it is not your intellectual property but that of Germany according to U.S. salvage laws which might apply.

[rlortie]

Jim_Mich,

There are two ways to handle fools. Ignore them or answer back.

I cannot win either way. I would be more than happy to ignore them. But they refuse to ignore me.

When ignored, these fools keep disrupting threads with their foolishness. When shown their foolishness, they act even more foolish.

The best way to handle this is to pull your hook out of the pond, dock the boat and get on with your build.

Your boat (reputation) is sinking right along with those that are pulling you down. Ignore them and quit giving them due cause to respond.

As a fellow peer and friend I am surprised that you and Alan are retaining your reputation level. Responding to a fool only leads to more foolishness
Consider the source and move on with your priorities, they will eventually run out of material or reason to hassle you.

Remember my post about "demeanor" to the other James on this forum?
I have not heard from him since, and he has refused to open my private mail. IIRC he has only made two posts since my response to him.

Ralph

[Jim Williams]

Perhaps I missed the explanation, but how do the Germans salvage a concept? This is even from the invention using the concept? The device itself could be salvaged, but not the intellectual part of the property utilizing the concept.

[jim_mich]

First things first... smith66 claims that I have never built anything and have never shown any wheel builds. So I point him the my album. and his answer is "So?" Then he goes back to claiming harassment. It is Jim Lindgaard that is doing the harassing.

And Jim Lindguaard makes wild ass statements, talking about German salvage laws. And thus he reveals himself to be a fool that does not know what he is talking about.

Of course people don't like to be exposed when they talk foolishness.

[jim_mich]

IMO you are fishing for ideas ...

I am absolutely in no way "fishing" for ideas. My wheel "ideas" are fully formed. I have many drawings, which anyone skilled in building could look at one time and then build the wheels. There are basically three styles. They all use the same "principle".

The first style is a wheel that when brought to a stop, the weights swing/move into an OOB situation. When released, such a wheel starts rotating then the rotation causes CF, which maintains the rotation. This I believe to be much like Bessler's one-way wheels. It is the simplest mechanical wheel design.

The next step up is the always balanced wheel. It is a little more complex. This I believe is much like Bessler's two-way wheels. Once you understand the principle, they make more sense than any gravity wheels.

The third style is the ultimate wheel. It goes beyond what Bessler built. It is a pure Jim_Mich design. It is simply a fluid filled circular passageway of a special configuration. This is by far the simplest wheel to build. I'm currently working on building the vacuum forming molds whereby POP wheels can be made from a few dollars’ worth of vacuum formed sheet plastic. This will allow implementation of 'MY PLAN' at a fraction of the cost of building mechanical POP wheels.

And there is much more I've learned about this ultimate wheel that makes it much more useful.

And as I slowly build the vacuum forming molds, I am also trying to get the wording of my patent application to be 'just right'. Trying to present a totally new concept to anyone for a first time, the words used need to be chosen very carefully. One only needs to read this forum to understand how people jump to erroneous conclusions based upon their prejudicial preconceptions

I live alone. I work alone. I don't move very fast anymore. I need to maintain my home. Today I'm replacing the water valve on my 15 year old clothes washing machine. Tomorrow I've volunteered to work at the Ingham County fair. And I spend a lot of time resting, which I spend in front of the computer. Many days I don't accomplish much of anything. I'll probably not live long enough to enjoy much from inventing such a wheel. And I fear unlimited energy from such an invention may be used to fight wars rather than promote peace. So I'm reluctant to release unlimited energy upon the world.

So yes Ralph, I'm in no big yank to progress with my plan. But be assured I am absolutely in no way "fishing" for wheel ideas.

Ralph, are you "fishing" for me to send you drawings of my wheels? Are you experienced with building clay models and vacuum forming? Maybe you can work faster than me?

[AB Hammer]

To all

I am going to leave this madness and get my wheels built. Any other post I make will only by on my private part of this forum.

This way I can post without Lindgaard and his sidekick in causing all this disruption, cloud camper who still trikes me as Bessler007 for some reason. I now only have time for the build.

Those who are also tired of the madness and want to join. just PM me.

[rlortie]

Jim_Mich,

I and all peer/members that attempt to make usage of this forum for its intended purpose know that you have built wheels in the past. And whether you have or have not is irrelevant to maintaining your demeanor and respecting the rules of this forum.

Their are builders and there are philosophers, both have their respectable place here, some cannot build but yet capable of giving innovative ideas, as well as those that offer simulation programs and CAD drawings but yet not know how or have the facilities to tighten a nut on a bolt properly.

This certainly should not reflect on their reputation, it is their demeanor and integrity that builds reputation via respect and admiration. If you want to argue with someone who insults and claims you have never built, then that reflects on your demeanor.

If members of this forum cannot consider the source of these false insinuations then they are no better than the one posting the garbage.

You have been and are a great asset to this forum since its early conception. Now you are allowing yourself to be drug down with personal degradation.

It does not matter how long you have been here or your past achievements. There is an old military proverb that states:
"ONE AWE SHIT CAN WIPE OUT A Thousand 'At-A-BOY'S'"

If Cloud camper wishes to rebuke your claims of gaining workable energy from Cf, that is his prerogative and rightly accepted to do so until one of you can objectively prove who is right and who is wrong'

As the old saying goes: I may not agree with ones ideas or concept but I will defend his right to express it. That is providing it does not get personal where at this stage it most certainly is.

Ralph

[daanopperman]

Hi jim_mich ,

May you grow so old that the hair from your dickey-dickey di di hang to your knees . If people want to make wars , they will , it is part of who we are , not because of what we have , but of what we don't have , so if all have it ( JMW) , we would not make war for it , but if you alone have it , the hair will not reach your knees . Smile more , GIVE more ( not crap) and live long , stress will kill you , stay away from the docter , they overload your ora , don't sleep too much , if you have pain in your back , see what your dog do when he wakes up , do the same , use it or lose it , have a nice fair and hug a tree , we need to see a wheel . You said at one stage I should think before I type , ( I replied I suffer from Restless Finger Sindrome , or RFS ) now it is your turn to control your fingers , we know who you are , it does not matter what anyone else say , they will not make you someone else . I keep my nose clean , no-one is attacking me , life's good in the green zone , keep us up to date , but do one at a time as to finnish at least one before you go to happy hunting grounds . Start a new thread , HOW TO , we will all benefit from other's wisdom , and from their fathers wisdom . Cheers .

[cloud camper]

You really need to think about this Jim.

I am just as convinced you're ideas are wrong as you are convinced they are right.

I am just practicing my rehabilitated physics knowledge on the forum, keeping my mind sharp as well.

So I am ready to debate C/F 24/7/365. I already know exactly where your error in understanding is and am ready to continue debate and show everyone where you have made a large error in comprehension.

You should know you will never convince anyone that your ideas are correct without a running device as others have hundreds of years of consistent physics behind them showing them that C/F powered devices are impossible.

So your choice is to waste all your time and energy trying to prove credibility without a running device or let the device do the talking for you.

I know I can win any debate involving C/F so you will get nowhere this way.

Your move Jim.

[smith66]

First things first... smith66 claims that I have never built anything and have never shown any wheel builds. So I point him the my album. and his answer is "So?" Then he goes back to claiming harassment. It is Jim Lindgaard that is doing the harassing.

And Jim Lindguaard makes wild ass statements, talking about German salvage laws. And thus he reveals himself to be a fool that does not know what he is talking about.

Of course people don't like to be exposed when they talk foolishness.

jim_mich,
I have contacted the World Organization of Historical Artifacts.
I think they would know before you would.
But you miss one important detail jim_mich, you have no idea on how to build one so you are just looking to argue a point that is meaningless to you.

[rlortie]

Jim_Mich wrote:

Ralph, are you "fishing" for me to send you drawings of my wheels? Are you experienced with building clay models and vacuum forming? Maybe you can work faster than me?

No! I am not fishing for you to send me anything of your designs. I must admit that your below statement intrigues me for obvious reasons.

It is simply a fluid filled circular passageway of a special configuration. This is by far the simplest wheel to build.

I have made it well known that I also am pursuing a fluid filled design, kindled by member Eric G. I am also using plastic in the form of PVC and ABS.

And yes, I am familiar with vacuum forming plastic as well as heat pressing. At the age of 14 I was plastic forming model airplane canopies and compound curved windows. I am also experienced in the use of and machining Nylatron, a plastic that if you are not aware of is worth researching.

I was having a problem milling ABS in my engine lathe, a retired machinist that I cannot hold a candle to ground me a special tool steel bit with a 5 degree bull nose angle for turning plastic. I learned, never attempt to mill PVC or ABS plastic with carbide lathe bits!

I too am at a stage where I am not getting much wheel work accomplished. I am currently working on the build of a block retaining wall parallel to the street frontage of my property. For my age and health conditions in high 90 degree temperatures is making for very slow progress. One day of progress will call for a day of rest.

Hey! if were both working on fluid drive concepts and you wish to collaborate with me, I have no problem with joining forces. We already have common ground in our plans of patenting and promoting. And I also am employing a [fluid filled circular passageway of a special configuration.]

I will also go so far as to saying that Cf plays a roll using the cohesive factors found in Newtonian fluids.

Ralph