https://youtu.be/lz_pesorQ5E
The center of gravity changes, and the weights oscillate by about 2cm, with the support boards fixed crosswise on the same axis.
We're approaching a disc of inertia, but a little unusual in that gravity intervenes, causing an imbalance that's barely perceptible, but very much there, limiting the effect of friction.
Next step:
Modify the speed, with one support rotating at around 2x the speed of the other.
Perhaps also add a third support (with the fundamental difference), i.e. not attached to the other two, but simply joined during rotation.
A good lead ?
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Re: A good lead ?
Not everything I present is functional, but a surprise can't be completely ruled out.Greetings.
MT 51
https://youtu.be/sec56M-o9G0
MT51 peut fonctionner, comme je l'ai dit la semaine dernière, pas d'énergie pas de mouvement continu... lol
En cherchant ce matin, j'ai remis en place avec quelques modifications le balancier, après quelques manipulations, je m'aperçois que la roue peut transférer un peu d'énergie au balancier grâce au cliquet.
Le ratio du disque d'inertie et balancier est primordial, sans le faire exprès je ne suis pas très loin, il faut que j'allège un peu les planches...
Les poids (billes) font 800gr au total plus les planches (?) je pèserai demain l'ensemble, le balancier fait 750 grs.
Il y a échange entre les deux éléments, l'un donne plus (les planches), mais le balancier à son apogée redonne un peu plus à la roue selon moi...
Il reste a faire un cliquet digne du concept, à suivre.
On connait tous le transfert d'énergie d'un balancier a un autre lorsque que deux balanciers sont sur un même axe, en ait 'il de même entre un disque d'inertie et un balancier ?
MT51 can work, as I said last week, no energy no continuous movement... lol
Looking around this morning, I put the balance wheel back in place with a few modifications, and after a few manipulations, I realize that the wheel can transfer a little energy to the balance wheel thanks to the pawl.
The ratio between the flywheel and the balance is crucial, and I'm not very far off without meaning to. I need to lighten the boards a bit...
The weights (balls) total 800gr plus the boards (?) I'll weigh the whole thing tomorrow, the balance wheel is 750 grs.
There's an exchange between the two elements, one gives more (the planks), but the pendulum at its peak gives a little more back to the wheel in my opinion...
All that's left is to make a ratchet worthy of the concept, to be continued.
We're all familiar with the transfer of energy from one balance wheel to another when two balance wheels are on the same axis, but is the same true between an inertia disc and a balance wheel?
MT51 peut fonctionner, comme je l'ai dit la semaine dernière, pas d'énergie pas de mouvement continu... lol
En cherchant ce matin, j'ai remis en place avec quelques modifications le balancier, après quelques manipulations, je m'aperçois que la roue peut transférer un peu d'énergie au balancier grâce au cliquet.
Le ratio du disque d'inertie et balancier est primordial, sans le faire exprès je ne suis pas très loin, il faut que j'allège un peu les planches...
Les poids (billes) font 800gr au total plus les planches (?) je pèserai demain l'ensemble, le balancier fait 750 grs.
Il y a échange entre les deux éléments, l'un donne plus (les planches), mais le balancier à son apogée redonne un peu plus à la roue selon moi...
Il reste a faire un cliquet digne du concept, à suivre.
On connait tous le transfert d'énergie d'un balancier a un autre lorsque que deux balanciers sont sur un même axe, en ait 'il de même entre un disque d'inertie et un balancier ?
MT51 can work, as I said last week, no energy no continuous movement... lol
Looking around this morning, I put the balance wheel back in place with a few modifications, and after a few manipulations, I realize that the wheel can transfer a little energy to the balance wheel thanks to the pawl.
The ratio between the flywheel and the balance is crucial, and I'm not very far off without meaning to. I need to lighten the boards a bit...
The weights (balls) total 800gr plus the boards (?) I'll weigh the whole thing tomorrow, the balance wheel is 750 grs.
There's an exchange between the two elements, one gives more (the planks), but the pendulum at its peak gives a little more back to the wheel in my opinion...
All that's left is to make a ratchet worthy of the concept, to be continued.
We're all familiar with the transfer of energy from one balance wheel to another when two balance wheels are on the same axis, but is the same true between an inertia disc and a balance wheel?
Last edited by thx4 on Sat Jun 15, 2024 6:01 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Not everything I present is functional, but a surprise can't be completely ruled out.Greetings.
Re: A good lead ?
Nice thx4 ..
Re: A good lead ?
I must have missed something, but I haven't seen any MT Apologia yet? Didn't he want to keep us away from it?
My intuition is pushing me in that direction, knowing that intuition is the worst mistress. You only need to play poker to know that 🙂.
Just move your arms a few degrees and you'll see that ..., it could be very simple...You have to reset of course.
I'm working on it at a slow pace the weather has become very nice here....
Not everything I present is functional, but a surprise can't be completely ruled out.Greetings.
Re: A good lead ?
https://youtu.be/qS7Fv2C0WBg
Small control model.
Each arm moves a few degrees in the desired direction of rotation...and returns to its point of origin.
Small control model.
Each arm moves a few degrees in the desired direction of rotation...and returns to its point of origin.
Not everything I present is functional, but a surprise can't be completely ruled out.Greetings.
Re: A good lead ?
Solaries is another mistress you can give you a good tanning :)
[MP] Mobiles that perpetuate - external energy allowed
Re: A good lead ?
https://youtu.be/l59PiXKHE3c
Modèle non fonctionnel
Bien que B laisse entendre qu'il n'est utile d'être très précis au niveau de quelques grammes, dans ce cas précis c'est nécessaire.
J'aime bien cette idée. Je reverrai ma copie après les vacances.
Non-functional model
Although B implies that it's not useful to be very precise at the level of a few grams, in this case it's necessary.
I like this idea. I'll revise my copy after the vacations.
Modèle non fonctionnel
Bien que B laisse entendre qu'il n'est utile d'être très précis au niveau de quelques grammes, dans ce cas précis c'est nécessaire.
J'aime bien cette idée. Je reverrai ma copie après les vacances.
Non-functional model
Although B implies that it's not useful to be very precise at the level of a few grams, in this case it's necessary.
I like this idea. I'll revise my copy after the vacations.
Not everything I present is functional, but a surprise can't be completely ruled out.Greetings.
Re: A good lead ?
Not everything I present is functional, but a surprise can't be completely ruled out.Greetings.