Georg Künstler's Ideas...

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racer270 wrote

ok Bill, that's long enough , it's now time too....

If someone wishs to discredit georg on this forum. Thats their right

just sit back and enjoy it.......I certainly am!!!

[Georg Künstler]

A lot of you asked me what do you have,

so here will be the answer.

1. I have my Blue Drum, which I sayed a long time ago that it has OU.
2. I have, build from technicians a better verson, which doesnÂ’t show the same effect.
3. I have a model build called frenzy sheet clutch, which shows OU by the right frequence.
4. I have build thermoextraraction turbine, which isnÂ’t able to operate by this small diameter
5. I have build several Besslerwheel types, but only one of them is selfaccelerating. I have a bidirectional version of a Kuenstler wheel(maybe it is one of BesslerÂ’s unkown designs, I donÂ’t know) up and running. I donÂ’t pass the exact measurement to the board by now. I will transport my wheel on request to the patent office in Munich, to show the running wheel. Maybe it will fall under the right of National interrest. So I have done and completed my work, the rest is lawyers work.
6. And and and Â….

And to make it clear, I havnÂ’t build all this versions with my own hands. So I pay and learn from my mistakes. I made such developments out of my own pocket. Step by step.

So I always can say nothing build. I make the plans, and let the models fabricate. To get models build takes a lot more of time than make different versions it in the own garage. For the version I presented in the video, I had to wait half a year!! So anyone who tell me that he can do such developement faster, can try it. We see the result on the board. I havnÂ’t seen any model or anything from the Â’ExpertsÂ’. They wait until someone made the development for them. I only see them repeating old phrases. They like to steal, with nothing in return.

No one is forced to read my opinion, no one must have a look to things like cymbal weight, teeter-tauter and so on. I posted this ideas to show different construction possibilities, for free!
This were developement steps of my own mind, and with my own speed of developement.
You can look to my ideas and decide to rebuild or copy things of your own risk. You are old enough to decide your own way. But please begin to think. There are creative people on this board , like Oxygon, but when he presents his versions, the rest disagrees. On this board not the universal approval is counting. The universal approval is wrong since 300 years. It is one thing to have a solution, and an other to achive this solution against the rest of the world.


I keep it with Schauberger, if I am wrong, one fool less or more on the world doesnÂ’t matter,.but when I am right, and the rest is wrong, then god bless our mankind.

When the wheel is running in front of you, you still will be sceptical. You have learned that it is impossible, and your mind refuses to accept. But why does this happen ? Because someone (your teacher) told you that this impossible.

You still will search the trick, but you will not find it, because there isnÂ’t one. No hidden motor, only Gravity. So the problem for your head will be enormous. Your head like to escape this loop, and canÂ’t.

I am not able to answer mails und BW ad hoc because I had more important things to do. Also an inventor has to work for earn oneÂ’s livelihood. So you must live with delayed response, sorry.

The future has begun

Georg

[ken_behrendt]

Georg wrote:

5. I have build several Besslerwheel types, but only one of them is selfaccelerating. I have a bidirectional version of a Kuenstler wheel(maybe it is one of BesslerÂ’s unkown designs, I donÂ’t know) up and running.

Well, it certainly sounds like Georg has at least two wheels that are continuously running.

I think that the only thing that would convinced the majority of mobilists here would be if we could find someone in his area that could visit him, personally witness the claimed operation of his devices, and then report back to the board on what he witnesses. Of course, this person would have to be someone whose truthfulness and judgement we trusted and who would make a careful inspection of the devices to eliminate the "faintest hint or suspicion" that any sort of hoax was involved.


Georg...

I we could find another member to visit you, would you be willing to allow him to both witness and examine your devices so that he could then verify for us that they worked?

I think if you would allow this, then it would settle the matter, once and for all, as to whether you do have continuously turning wheels.



ken

[LustInBlack]

Where does Georg lives !?

I will be in switzerland during christmas .. If Georg lives nearby, maybe I could visit him, but it's not guaranteed ..

[alliance]

Hello,

I would like to take over with pleasure this visit with Georg. Only unfortunately, he had already said that one sees nothing what would point OU. Not selfrotary.

When may I come? I have videoequipment and cameras to see everything and to point in the web.

Georg will only write again that he has a wheel or two wheels - never he will show it. Besslers idea is not born yet again.

I hope the lies soon stop.

Bye
Alliance

[agor95]

Hello Georg

I found your dedicated topic that hold your idea going back into 2003 and beyond in time!

I have been giving your primary device some thought.

Starting with the outer cage wheel.

The best I can come up with is the internal device needs to jump up and connect to the side of the cage?

You will have noticed the item 'I' and 'H' on the drawing MT124.

So 'I' is your cage and 'H' could be used if reversed and it's diameter reduced.

The prime mover would be inside the 'H'.

The process would cause the 'H' to jump and rotate. The spikes would then pass between the cage rods.

This 'H' would naturally want to roll down the inside of the outer cage.
However I am thinking a hooking shape could be devised to prevent this from happening.

Therefore the inner 'H' would be connected to the right side of a clockwise rotating Outer 'I' wheel.

The prime mover present within the 'H' is like a pendulum & rod component.
This compresses a spring between it and the 'H' outer rim.

So when this prime mover revolves down the bottom of the wheel it jumps up [radially] and the top of the rod
hits the centre hub [not an axle] of 'H'.

That is Hub, Rod, Mass and then Spring.

This 'H' item needs to be strong and light. Most of the weight is in three pendulums with light rod components.

Summary

The inner 'H' jumps up then links and locks to the right side of the outer wheel.
The prime mover is spun compressed and jumps knocking 'H' up. 'H' does not fall down to move to the right.

The 'I' item your cage only has the clockwise torque for the internal components disconnect before any negative torque is created.

Regards

[WaltzCee]

To all,
I will charge everyone 1 Euro per machine and 1 Eurocent per produced kwh for my developements. The developement will be shown on August without any comment.
Anyone who needs more information to understand will get it, on request.

VB's will have a contingent of 1000 machines free without any charge.

the future has begun

Georg

hmmmm. .. . dot dash dash dot hummmmm . .... .

I have a better idea. Why don't you put a cam in your barn and sell pay per view subscriptions so we can see what you and that carpenter boy are really doing in that hay loft (since 2003).

That's when the future will really begin.

[agor95]

Hello Georg

Do you need help in visualising the description in my last post?

Regards

[Georg Künstler]

Hi agor95,

by agor95 » Tue Oct 26, 2021 8:58 am

Hello Georg

Do you need help in visualising the description in my last post?

yes please, visualize what you have described.

[agor95]

Hello Georg

This is the hard part.

There needs to be an inner wheel in your cage.
The image below supplies the hint from Bessler.

The spikes need to be on the outside of the drum.

Note. The spike tips their shape is important.

The task in to cause this new spiked drum to roll within your cage.

However the spikes engage rolling anti-clockwise and release when rolling clockwise.

P.S. I will have to use Blender to craft the shapes. That will take some time too relearn.

All the Best

[agor95]

Hello Georg

This is the best I can do for now with Blender.

This is the image 'H' from the MT124 where the spikes are pointing outwards.
In an ideal world the spikes would be identical and narrow to there end.

The three round objects are the rods of your cage.
1 spike is hooked under the middle rod and the lower rod is pressing against the end of another spike.

The third rod is not touching the spikes as the curve of your cage is larger than the curve of this inner cog like drum.

All the Best

[Georg Künstler]

Hi agor95,
as i had seen now your drawing i can see that the internal part which you had drawn is also wobbling.

When the internal construction which you had drawn is rolling on the rods, then sometimes the teeth will hit the dowel/rod
and sometimes not, so the internal construction will also going up and down during the rotation of the outer drum.

The function is like you have a broken gear, when a tooth is missing.
Then the center of mass is different to the center of rotation.
The internal forces which will occur during the rotation will be enormous and will lead to the collapse of the structure.

I have constructed such devices already, real physical models, or better I have let it build, because I have no machine shop.

They are in the unbalance machine class, no engineer will make such constructions, they always tries to avoid this situation.

[agor95]

I have constructed such devices already, real physical models, or better I have let it build, because I have no machine shop.

They are in the unbalance machine class, no engineer will make such constructions, they always tries to avoid this situation.

The general rule is build within the structural limits of the material.

I trust we can see similarities with the cog 'H' shape and the inner wheel of the Buzzsaw.


Staying away from situations like this is a good way to not go anywhere.

With both the cog and cage being in plain sight on MT 124 one would expect you would have built prototypes.

As you have dropped this idea would you like to share your photos of the implementation?

P.S. The spring bouncing jack image is on hold until interest is shown.

Regards

[Georg Künstler]

Hi agor95,
here some pictures from my picture archive.
Some more you can find under http://alt.kuenstler-energie.de/
and from my newer homepage kuenstler-energie.de

I will look also in my old patent file for the internal construction of the frency sheet clutch.
I think I have filed the construction on an old 1.2 MB disk. Hopefully I find someone who can read this old format.
If I am not sucessful, then I will prepare a new sketch how this was working.

[agor95]

Hello Georg

You have an impressive body of research built up over the years.

Regards