It Would Be More Noble To Clear J. Bessler's Name, than trying to solely profit

[rks1878]

I intend "What hath God wrought?" to be ambiguous, and the matter of confirming a working model to be John Collins priviledge...

I want the rediscovery of Bessler's self-moving device to have a happy ending.

John Collins has already told me that he has the means to make a solid confirmation.

To put down rumors, I do not have a working model yet. The next springs have not come, and the "yow" post above was an experiment independent of the wheel that has to be incorporated.

I said before that I was over 95% there. You could screw a weight to an arm and it would go about 95% of the way to going over, but that 95% is not what I meant. I am 95% through that last 5%. No, make that 97.5%.

[rks1878]

New springs came yesterday.
Been making new levers for them.
Haven't tested anything yet.
No obvious failure yet.

[rks1878]

I'm claiming 98.9% solution progress through that last five percent.

The stronger springs help, but there are existing parts of the wheel from previous attempts, that are preventing them from going from slack to tight.

The weights are thus being denied the correct position prior to falling.

Once these parts are knocked out and replaced, possibly with a sort of flipper that acts like a water check valve, I'll report in again.....

[SeaWasp]

Get that motor going Robert! Good Luck!

[rks1878]

It will be the end of this week or beginning of next week before I will have an answer.

Began renovating the wheel today and mapped out the next moves.

The "check valves" will take some time.

If everything ultimately fails, I will post right then. Otherwise, silence means "YES PROGRESS CONTINUES".

[rks1878]

While we're waiting...

An amazing achievement.

http://www.yahoo.com/p/d.html?v

If link bombs, it's about a 16 year old that makes a math discovery.

The story is on Yahoo news wires

[JuddBrooks]

another link to yahoo story on 16 yr old solving very old math problem

http://newsfromrussia.com/science/2005/12/06/69241.html

[rks1878]

Another chapter in the continuing saga of PMM design and construction.

"check valve" mech won't work to adjust spring tightness.

However, I discovered an easy way to do it today, using a pulley for each spring. Now each of the three springs tightness can be adjusted dynamically, instead of just one in one place.

Claiming 99.2% completion of the last five percent.

[rks1878]

Might as well tell you all that the way I have the levers fastened in three groups of four to each other and to the wheel, is a close approximation of the Phi Ratio or 1.618,
I just thought to check that and everything is within fractions of this ratio. In setting up the mechanism I was just going by eye to begin with, but will make new levers, etc to match this ratio on the next go around...

[rks1878]

Gee, every time I post it's always good for several hundred page views and no dialog.

So. How many hours have some of you wasted trying to leech off of the details I've provided? Been having much success with springs? Levers? How about the phi ratio? That's a good one...

The only thing you should focus on is the percent completion figures...and I do think I'm on to something really good this time for once.

If not, then it's 287 more failures to match JEEB'S amazing record of trial and error.....

[Jonathan]

My total's about 15min. When the design fails, you said you'd post it, so I read each new post waiting for that.

[AgingYoung]

Robert,

This is such a slow moving forum most people read everything that's posted. I'm just wondering if you've solved the matter so I can get my life back! Please rescue me and make that wheel work!!

A lot of people reading don't have the experience of taking an idea and bringing it into reality. There are many steps and changes that an idea goes thru before you can actually have something to put your hands on. From conception to model there's a lot of morphing. It's an exciting process. I love it and highly recommend it.

A. Gene Young

[rks1878]

So the sympathies we have here are represented by Jonathan, captain of the equationmeisters, in one corner, and Gene, captain of the true believers, in the other corner.

Per what I've said before about the mechanism's simplicity, the equationmeister team should be sure to not have any readily available firearms, lest they come to further grief by their own hand. But not to worry, they KNOW a PMM is not possible anyway....

The TrueBelievers are just that, and waiting for the solution to be found in any quadrant, just so they can find relief and get back to their lives.

You have to listen t Ken. Only believe the eyewitness accounts...not what Bessler said.

I suppose John Collins hasn't spent even one minute on puzzling out a mech from the details I've put here,

I told him long ago, that the truth of any mech I persue, would not be found on this board, and now you know too.

My head of steam is fueled not by true belief, math savy, or obsession, but by pure vengence.

Jonathan, just for you to pass back...
At the moment, I do not have a working model.

What I have is better than previous tries, and goes from start to stop farther than momentum alone would carry it.

I have 99,2% of the last five percent, I'm knocking on many doors, and I believe I'm in the right castle this time.

"Damned be him who first cries,'Hold. Enough!'"

[ken_behrendt]

Robert wrote:

You have to listen to Ken. Only believe the eyewitness accounts...not what Bessler said.

Well, I would probably put 90% of my "faith" in what eyewitnesses reported, but, maybe, 10% should be put in what Bessler wrote. I think he would probably have given a very few vague hints about the mechanism he employed just so that, in the unlikely event some other inventor came up with a similar working design, Bessler could point to his writings as say "See, I was using that principle years ago!". Of course, knowing which of his descriptions to dwell on and which to exclude is a matter for a very discerning mind to undertake. It should not even be attempted by anyone new to the subject, but, rather, only by people who have paid the "sweat price" over the decades...

Quite coincidently, I have recently been thinking about just what Bessler did hint about that I would believe in and have reached some interesting conclusions which I'll be sharing in the next few days in my "...Updates" thread down there in the Community Buzz forum.


Anyway, it sounds like you are so close to success with your latest design that you can almost taste it! I hope it works whatever it is, even if it is not what Bessler used. I'm also kind of hoping that there is more than one way to achieve mechanical PM and that Bessler, by an incredible stroke of luck, did not find the only way of achieving it.

When this mystery is finally resolved, we are all going to lay back, smack out foreheads, and say, "Why didn't I think of this decades ago!".


ken

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