Bessler's use of Gravity

[Tinhead]

Posted: Wed Sep 06,
It weighs over 600 lbs and is over 7ft. tall. making the original run is no problem.

Posted: Sun Sep 10,
The wheel that I am working with at present is just over 6 ft in diameter. It too uses 40 lbs of weight.

*confused* ... is it shrinking? ;)
So nearly 560lbs of the wheel are 'passive' ? That is one heavy bugger of a wheel :) ... is it material related or part of the 'inner workings' if I may ask?

Cheers,
Rainer

[1712]

Ken T> the outside weight is 54lbs. My wheel diameter is over 6foot. jim kelly

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I thought you said the weights were 40 lbs.

Kelly said he had a "preacher card" for me and my mother, and Clarkie told me to "piss off", these are just a few of thes kinds of comments from you gentlemen but I guess Michael holds me to a higher standard.

Michael wrote:

..."I wrote you a letter stating this to you but have just taken it away because it looks like you might be heading back to making personal attacks on people. I'm asking you, please don't do this. Yep I know, people say things that they refuse to back up, and do this at times because they admittedly are trying to affect people for their own amusement. In the end they are only shooting themsleves in the foot. I hope others will come to see them for what they are doing and give them the red hits they deserve. This includes you 1712 if you do this. This is really what the rep system is for. Let the anger come out in lights not spam and let it reflect what's happening now, not the historic past."

Contra

ps: LOL

[Michael]

Just call me Butters.

[pstroud]

James Kelly,

I wish you the best of luck with your latest modifications and retest. I know Ralph is on vacation now but not sure where....

Good Luck!

Preston.

[ken_behrendt]

winkle wrote:

you (Ken) seem to require more of the unbelieving skeptic than from those who belive Mr. Bessler told the truth

to date there has not been any rational suggestion given about what lead his success

I, of course, disagree with the second part. I think, so far, we can be reasonably sure that his wheels worked through the simple maintenance of a chronic state of imbalance. A simple mechanism achieved this effect. That is all there is to the matter...to solve the mystery, we need merely find the mechanism.

I demonstrated some months ago, when I derived "Bessler's 4th Law of Motion", that a chronically overbalanced gravity wheel's rotating weights had, even though they moved about a "closed" path, an average vertical velocity that was always negative in sign or directed downward toward the center of the Earth. In this situation, the weights must, after each wheel rotation, lose a miniscule portion of their masses which are then converted into the kinetic energy that both accelerates the wheel and, if sufficient, can perform external work. I do not consider this process to be a "mystery" at all.


Tinhead...

It sounds to me like James Kelley has two wheels: the original and the one he is working on now. The original, which worked, weighed over 600 lbs and was over 7 ft tall. The one he is working on now is over 6 ft tall.

However, are we talking about two separate wheels? Or, is the one he is working on now made from the parts that were in the "original" one?

Well, I hope that this confusion can finally be cleared up once Ralph has arrived on the scene.


James...

I'd like to, once again, ask you this question. Do you now possess a wheel, whether it is the original one, a separate secondary one, or one derived from the original one, that is capable of continuous rotation?

If you can answer this for us, then it will certainly help dispel the confusion that is arising here concerning what you claim to have.



ken

[1712]

Just call me Butters.

It's OK Michael. My mommie always said I'd be judged more harshly than others because so much is expected.

It's a crying shame some things on this board are allowed to continue with impunity. Some people understand damn little.

Contrarian

PS: All of your efforts and hard work will fail because you can't lift more than falls and do work at the same time. Well, I hope I satisfied your thirsts for knowledge other than "it won't work."

[coylo]

It's a crying shame some things on this board are allowed to continue with impunity.

I see you haven't made Gene's or Robert's acquaintance, 1712!

This is the last entry that you will get from me. Most of you do not comprehend the information that I give you. I do not need the ridicule nor some of the abuse that is dished out here.All of you would expect to be treated with respect if you were in my shoes and with my education. jim kelly With higher goals in mind.

C'ya!

[winkle]

winkle wrote:

you (Ken) seem to require more of the unbelieving skeptic than from those who belive Mr. Bessler told the truth

to date there has not been any rational suggestion given about what lead his success

I, of course, disagree with the second part. I think, so far, we can be reasonably sure that his wheels worked through the simple maintenance of a chronic state of imbalance. A simple mechanism achieved this effect. That is all there is to the matter...to solve the mystery, we need merely find the mechanism.

ken

it's interesting that you only disagree with the second part

hummm well that settles that
Ken looks like you have given the whole ballgame away
cleared everything up in one bold statement
i guess it will be no time till everyone has a working wheel from that rational suggestion

I demonstrated some months ago, when I derived "Bessler's 4th Law of Motion", that a chronically overbalanced gravity wheel's rotating weights had, even though they moved about a "closed" path, an average vertical velocity that was always negative in sign or directed downward toward the center of the Earth.

heavy side falls down that seems to be a rational suggestion

In this situation, the weights must, after each wheel rotation, lose a miniscule portion of their masses which are then converted into the kinetic energy that both accelerates the wheel and, if sufficient, can perform external work. I do not consider this process to be a "mystery" at all.

who was it mabe Hitler that said if you repeat a thing often enough people will come to belive it
even after reading that more times than i can count all i can say is this rational suggestion still looks like bull shirt to me

[james kelly]

It took a tremendous amount of calculation before i was able to devise this machine! It took a great deal of time before it was all properly figured out! It's reached the stage now where even a poor workman could put the thing together without a lot of head scratching; and get completed almost before you'd notice. It took many years of school and still requires a great amount of labor to make the machine run. It is not simply a matter of putting it together and away it goes,and you would have me just hand over all of this work. a lifetime of it. you are nothing more than robbers. j. l. kelly

[primemignonite]

James...

WIth all due respect, just what is the meaning of what you just wrote above?

Sorry to have to say that I AM confused.

Regards,

James

[Sevich]

I think he's simply saying this forum and all it's members are not worthy of one iota of his secret being leaked out or revealed. This Bessler forum is not and can never be a place for such revalations to take place. He's labored too long and hard to give away anything of value. And unlike the rest of us suckers who have posted PM researched information on this forum, he will never post or reveal anything to thieves & robbers. For all other's who so much as dare to even look at him will............


Lol...

[ken_behrendt]

winkle wrote:

you (Ken) seem to require more of the unbelieving skeptic than from those who belive Mr. Bessler told the truth

Actually, those who believe Bessler told the truth (I certainly do) must prove it by replicating his inventions. That goes without saying on this board.

And, with reference to my assertion that a gravity wheel can only output kinetic energy by extracting it from the mass of it weights, he wrote:

even after reading that more times than i can count all i can say is this rational suggestion still looks like bull shirt to me

To those unfamiliar with the fundamentals of Einsteinian Relativity Theory, this concept may seem strange. But, it is a real effect and acknowledged by orthodox physicists. Without this concept such things as the acceleration of falling bodies and the energy a nuclear power plant generates can not be rationalized. I have no reason to doubt its validity and see it as the most likely way of explaining "where" the energy of a working gravity wheel would come from.


James Kelly wrote:

It is not simply a matter of putting it together and away it goes,and you would have me just hand over all of this work. a lifetime of it. you are nothing more than robbers.

Actually, all we would like is the answer to a simple question...Do you now have a wheel capable of continuous rotation?



ken

[james kelly]

ken; I will answer this way: It seems to me that very few of you have even so much as read any of Bessler's work, much less having schooling behind you. Much of what I have written is taken right out of john's and bill's books. None of you even recognized it. No I do not think that I will Share . J.L. Kelly

[Sevich]

1712 wrote:

you can't lift more than falls and do work at the same time

Of course you can! you can lift 1.5 pounds with 1.0 pound easy.

Only need to work out not so much where, but by which method to transfere the surplus 0.50 pound to continue the cycle? I'm in the process of (trying) to work it out.

1712, John Collins Book "Perpetual Motion: An Ancient Mystery Solved" is a must read!! ...if you've already read it, then please read it again and again and again until you convert!! :D

[Michael]

1712 is right Sevich, you cannot make 1.0 lift 1.5 the same distance 1.0 falls - unless the 1.0 is traveling at a faster velocity. To get the 1.0 to travel to that faster velocity requires an energy input that is slightly greater than the energy required to lift the 1.5 to a given distance.